Calvinism and the Unpardonable Sin

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why do you not trust what the bible actually says. You need to start read verses in context then you will not make the logical errors that you continue to do.

Your calvinism which you seem to think is the standard has lead you astray. Your calvinism on one hand says God determines all things but then you turn around and say but not all those bad things. You calvinists are just so lost in your errant theology that it is shameful.

Remember it is your LBCF that says:
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;

If God has determined all things that logically includes secondary causes and all sin and evil.
God has either decreed all things or He has not.
If you say He has not then you have to throw out your divine determinism and your whole theology collapses. If on the other hand you say He has then you make Him the author of evil which then puts you at odds with scripture and you are teaching a false religion.
This is what happens when you have a man-made religion.

So @taisto it is not the bible I reject, it is your errant view of the bible that I reject. Your calvinism came from pagan roots so that it bears bad fruit is to be expected.

What pagan roots? Are you referring to the RCC? Are you suggesting that RC Bishops like Augustine put paganism on a collision course with Christianity and thus it’s forever tarnished?!?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They couldn't believe.

What about Nicodemus?

 

[taisto]

So you stick with your philosophy and I quote scripture and you think I am wrong because I do not hold to your errant philosophy. Give your head a shake and come into the real world. Your theology has it roots in pagan philosophy so the tree that comes from it bears bad fruit.

Mat 7:17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Mat 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.

How you come to your false conclusions regarding me can only come from the fact I do not ad here to your failed philosophy but it is clear that you do not understand the scriptures I have posted or what I have written.

Try to think these through
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

I do not deny the sovereignty of God but I have not turned Gods' sovereignty into determinism as you have. Your theology comes from Augustine down through Calvin and so forth. My theology comes from the bible which is the inspired word of God.

I show you all the scripture you point at and I explain God as the one who determines your days. You turn it around and demand that you are the one who determines his days.
Every verse you share shows us that you are wrong.
You have now taken to blaming God, if God is the King of Kings and you are stripped of your own rule. Why you hate God as your ruler is beyond me.

 

[Silverhair]

What pagan roots? Are you referring to the RCC? Are you suggesting that RC Bishops like Augustine put paganism on a collision course with Christianity and thus it’s forever tarnished?!?

Check the history EWF.

 

[kyredneck]

What about Nicodemus?

He was not of the Devil, he was a secret disciple of Jesus.

 

[Silverhair]

I show you all the scripture you point at and I explain God as the one who determines your days. You turn it around and demand that you are the one who determines his days.
Every verse you share shows us that you are wrong.
You have now taken to blaming God, if God is the King of Kings and you are stripped of your own rule. Why you hate God as your ruler is beyond me.

You are the calvinist not me. I trust scripture you on the other hand have to twist it to make it fit your errant theology. You twist what I post to come up with your strawman arguments as you can not argue against the scripture I post. You just keep getting more extreme in your comments as you go along. But then again that is a trend I do see in many of the calvinists I have dealt with over the years.

 

[kyredneck]

If unpardonable sin is the quenching of the Holy Spirit.

...not the same as blaspheming the spirit.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...not the same as blaspheming the spirit.

What’s the difference? No, I really want to know.

Check the history EWF.

I already have and was surprised this RC tendency towards paganism carries to Calvinists… then it must have roots in Dutch Reformed, Presbyterians, Anglican, Methodists, Episcopalian churches as well. Wow!!! All the major Protestant denominations. Let them sink then.

 

[Van]

If anyone rejects or does not fully accept Christ, i.e that His miracles were accomplished by God the Holy Spirit, that my friends is the unpardonable sin.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I show you all the scripture you point at and I explain God as the one who determines your days. You turn it around and demand that you are the one who determines his days.
Every verse you share shows us that you are wrong.
You have now taken to blaming God, if God is the King of Kings and you are stripped of your own rule. Why you hate God as your ruler is beyond me.

That is quite an accusation to level at a Christian brother (hate God) maybe even enough to get you suspended from the board. Be cautious brother.

 

[kyredneck]

What’s the difference?

In a nutshell, context, but audience alone should tell the difference.

Compare:

12 But we beseech you, brethren, to know them that labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
14 And we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, encourage the fainthearted, support the weak, be longsuffering toward all.
16 Rejoice always;
17 pray without ceasing;
18 in everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus to you-ward.
19 Quench not the Spirit;
20 despise not prophesyings;
21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good;
22 abstain from every form of evil.
25 Brethren, pray for us. 1 Thess 5

With:

31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.
34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Mt 12

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In a nutshell, context, but audience alone should tell the difference.

Compare:

12 But we beseech you, brethren, to know them that labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
14 And we exhort you, brethren, admonish the disorderly, encourage the fainthearted, support the weak, be longsuffering toward all.
16 Rejoice always;
17 pray without ceasing;
18 in everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus to you-ward.
19 Quench not the Spirit;
20 despise not prophesyings;
21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good;
22 abstain from every form of evil.
25 Brethren, pray for us. 1 Thess 5

With:

31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.
34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Mt 12

I see it, thanks

 

[Silverhair]

What’s the difference? No, I really want to know.

I already have and was surprised this RC tendency towards paganism carries to Calvinists… then it must have roots in Dutch Reformed, Presbyterians, Anglican, Methodists, Episcopalian churches as well. Wow!!! All the major Protestant denominations. Let them sink then.

If they follow the calvinist philosophy then yes.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If they follow the calvinist philosophy then yes.

There are certain Baptists that do also… how do you label them… IE how do Baptists come to adopt Calvinism? Please advise.

 

[Silverhair]

There are certain Baptists that do also… how do you label them… IE how do Baptists come to adopt Calvinism? Please advise.

Just as I said before, if they adhere to the teachings that came from Augustine and through Calvin then they are holding to a philosophy that came from pagan roots. That is historical and can be found by anyone that wants to take the time to do the research.

As to why a baptist that holds to the bible as the standard of faith would become a calvinist I can not tell you. You would have to ask one that did as to why they did.

 

[37818]

. . . the teachings that came from Augustine and through Calvin then they are holding to a philosophy that came from pagan roots.

I know there,are Biblical claims. I personally have no source material for this alledged pagan roots.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just as I said before, if they adhere to the teachings that came from Augustine and through Calvin then they are holding to a philosophy that came from pagan roots. That is historical and can be found by anyone that wants to take the time to do the research.

As to why a baptist that holds to the bible as the standard of faith would become a calvinist I can not tell you. You would have to ask one that did as to why they did.

You are fond of leveling that at anyone who includes Doctrines of Grace in their faith & practices but you can’t verify it as genuine other than to repeat that as some sort of mantra. could it be you who is in error and just using those claims against the brethren as a weapon of no consequence?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just as I said before, if they adhere to the teachings that came from Augustine and through Calvin then they are holding to a philosophy that came from pagan roots. That is historical and can be found by anyone that wants to take the time to do the research.

As to why a baptist that holds to the bible as the standard of faith would become a calvinist I can not tell you. You would have to ask one that did as to why they did.

I would not say that anyone who practices Doctrines of Grace is a Calvinist but you do. No they do however believe in a theology that is exclusively God centered, not directed to self.

Now it’s predictable that you will implement a dialog designed to accuse and offend. Go ahead, I will give you the last word.

 

[kyredneck]

Now it’s predictable that you will implement a dialog designed to accuse and offend.

Lol, sometimes he seems desperate to get a 'Calvinist' into one of his rabbit holes. Desperate like a junkie needing his fix.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Lol, sometimes he seems desperate to get a 'Calvinist' into one of his rabbit holes. Desperate like a junkie needing his fix.

Obviously but let’s not throw stones. There is too much scripture to support either position. I just choose not to be contentious.