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Calvinism Made Me Doubt My Salvation
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Forget Calvinism and read your Bible.
Once again, a post trying to prevent discussion of the thread topic.
Alan Dale Gross
Active Member
You're definitely going to have to give up the misplaced dependence you have established here, where you're thinking "God really is not willing for any to perish" and "God wants all people to be saved and come to know the truth", since the Bible doesn't teach either of those things.
If anybody thought they were in the Bible and True, then two other things would also be True.
1.) God would not Allow any member of the Human Race to ever "perish" in Hell.
2.) If God wanted all people to be saved, all people in the Human Race would be saved.
Period.
There is nothing else those statements would mean, and those are the only results that could possibly take place in this Universe Run by the One and Only True and Living God Who is All-Powerful.
Whatever the Sovereign God of the Universe Wants, the Sovereign God of the Universe Gets.
The Doctrinal Foundation Upon Which Calvinism Rests Is The Sovereignty of God.
The primary teaching of Calvinism rests on a broader basis than most people guess and one which, it is not too much to say, touches the very Nature and Character of God. The one rock upon which Calvinism builds is that of the Absolute and Unlimited Sovereignty of God. It is, indeed, this Doctrine of Divine Sovereignty that is held and emphasized by Calvinism, and which forms the source from which every other principle of Calvinistic teaching is founded, not 'election', etc.
Predestination and Election are simply the outworking or application of God's Divine Sovereignty to salvation. Calvinism asserts that the Sovereignty of God is Supreme in salvation as in everything else.
Nothing in the Bible refers to "God really is not willing for any to perish", separately considered, WITHOUT INCLUDING THE REST OF THE VERSE.
You'll want to immediately get that out of your reasoning and thinking about your Eternal soul.
II Peter 3:9; "The Lord is not slack concerning His Promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Does the word "us-ward" appear in that verse the way you see it there?
Then, if you see the word "us-ward" in there, then who is this verse referring to and talking about?
I'm going to tell you that it is "us-ward" that God says that He is "longsuffering to".
Then, there are other words, like "Promise", "perish", and "rependence".
Do they automatically need to be assumed they are referring to the first knee-jerk reaction that jumps into our mind, using our flesh to determine their meaning, and that they couldn't possibly mean anything else, WITHOUT THE AID OF READING THE CONTEXT?
"Promise", salvation? all would
"perish", not in reference to perishing in an Eternal Hell. It simply refers to those saints who still fall prey to the wicked men and things going on in that chapter, which result in them "perishing" or dying prematurely. God is saying in that verse that He'd rather that, for them there who He is talking to, for "death" to not happen to them, when they might, IF THEY DON'T REPENT!!!
Didn't He just tell them to pray for everyone they know?
"rependence" has nothing to do with the repentance involved with the 'repentance and faith' in the experience of salvation. It means that God wants them to make a change in their behavior that otherwise would lead to their death, sooner than later.
"Who Will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
Tell me that A COUPLE of the things this verse is saying, obviously, is that since it is saying that it is God's Will to have all men 'without exception' to be saved, it is also teaching us that it is saying that it is NOT GOD'S WILL FOR ALL WOMEN TO BE SAVED. What else could it mean?
The only souls, then, that are left out of obtaining Eternal Salvation are those of women.
Good Bible understanding, right? Isn't that what God wants us to understand from what He is saying there? Otherwise, He would have said, "Who Will have all men and all women to be saved.
HOW FAR OFF AM I?
1 Timothy 2:1
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,
and giving of thanks, be made for all men;"
GOD HAD ALREADY HAD US LEAVE WOMEN OUT OF OUR PRAYERS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT?.
RIGHT OR WRONG?
But, THAT'S O.K., because this next verse informs us, or the "we" are going to be able to come into the possession of ALL GODLINESS WITHOUT EXCEPTION AND LIVE GODLY JUST AS PERFECT AS JESUS DID ON EARTH, AND THAT WE WILL HAVE ALL HONESTLY WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
ISN'T THAT GREAT?
THAT WE WILL NEVER COMMIT ANY SIN OR EVER LIE AGAIN?
1 Timothy 2:2
"For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty."
Or, IS THAT STUPID?
AND, IT IS JUST A STUPID LIE?
If so, then it has to be possible for some of the wooden, letterism beliefs that people seem to take for granted may just be plain old lies, in their stupid, illiterate misinterpretations, TOO.
Sorry, whether you know it or not, you're theory that you are wondering if is true or not would result in Universal Salvation for all of Mankind; even those in Hell, now, etc.
So, that is actually where you are saying you want to be, i.e., among EVERY SOULS BEING SAVED.
We know that's not true, because there are so many times God has Shared with us about the existence of fallen man who sometimes does go to Hell and they aren't coming out.
You'll want to immediately get the idea that whether you are "one of the elect" out of your reasoning and thinking about your Eternal soul. After all, what business of yours is that?
God took care of doing the electing,
and then He Commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.
What is your testimony about having any reason to "repent"?
What does "repent" mean, in the first place? To "repent" of something means what?
What would someone be "repenting" of? Sin?
What is sin?
What would it mean about a person if they sinned?
What is "the gospel"? that God Commands all men to believe?
Has there ever been a time when you knew that it was God in your conscience telling you something about whatever it was that you had done wrong, or actually about everything that you are (we are all 'wrong' before God's Judgment), is Offensive to your Creator, making you feel GUILTY BEFORE GOD?
Our Creator God is Eternal. Sin against the Eternal God must meet with an Eternal Punishment.
Have you seen, or do you see yourself, Guilty and 'deserving' Eternal Punishment by The One and Only True and Living God Whom you have sinned against?
Then, What Happened? You remained in despair to this day?
That's O.K. to say as a cry for help.
We're here to help. Keep talking for us to learn about whatever else may be going on with you.
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Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Once again,
God is the source of works. Like God is the source of salvation.
However. if you do not trust God you will not react to his call.
That does not make faith the source of salvation or works. The source is always God
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
What was posted by Eternally Grateful?
what about a babe in Christ who has not yet come to this point of his faith
should they question their salvation.
But what was the topic?
The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.
One of the evidences of an indwelt Spirit is that our conscience convicts us when we stray from Christ.
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
I have hardly seen a more proud person in all my life. My question is addressed to the bolded and highlighted part of your POST, Which you stated is context.
The Saints perseverance is because of God's preservation. So as we examine our lives, to see if we are "in the faith" we will find our efforts to follow Christ on His paths of righteousness. But what if we do not? Then we should question our salvation, because as a person whose faith is protected by the power of God, our commitment to Christ as our Lord should be manifested as a core attribute. See 2 Corinthians 13:5.
My question I keep asking pertains to this part of YOUR POST.
Yet you claim i am being off topic. (you are in error every time you claim this)
dude.. I just do not get it.. why are you so resistant?
I have asked you to stop, but you continue to assert babies evaluating their walk with Christ at communion is not deflection. Everyone knows it is.
Eternally Grateful
Well-Known Member
Yet nonsense post addressing me and not the topic. Now the poster wants to discuss how a new born anew believer evaluates himself or herself before going to their first communion. I kid you not!