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While in the lost state, will fall upon deaf ears though!
When the people of Nineveh heard, they repented.
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While in the lost state, will fall upon deaf ears though!
Exactly.How many apart from Jesus are righteous though?
When the Lord moved to saved them by preaching of the word!When the people of Nineveh heard, they repented.
All hear, but ONLY those who are his sheep can and will respond!Exactly.
My comment is you seem to be suggesting the lost cannot hear, but consider -
Romans 10:13–15 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in him about whom they have not heard? And how will they hear about him without one who preaches to them? And how will they preach, unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How timely are the feet of those who bring good news of good things.”
When the Lord moved to saved them by preaching of the word!
The revival in Ninevah was directly caused and due by the moving of the Holy Spirit to save them unto God!What do you reckon is the point of the book of Jonah? God pleaded with Israel to change their minds. They refused. God goes to the heathen and says to Israel, "Look, even the heathen change their minds at my warning. Why don't you? If they will, then you being My people have no excuse."
This is yet another example of God bending over backwards to persuade His people to change their minds. But in Calvinism, there is no persuasion. Any semblance of God persuading is just a pantomime. In the end, there are only God's sovereign decisions.
Well, scripture says otherwise.
The revival in Ninevah was directly caused and due by the moving of the Holy Spirit to save them unto God!
The revival in Ninevah was directly caused and due by the moving of the Holy Spirit to save them unto God!
God was showing that salvation is of the Lord of Israel, as He is Lord to both Jews and Gentiles alike!What is your response for God's choosing to do this and make it known in Israel? Was God's reason to teach Israel Calvinists truth? Or was it to persuade them? If Nineveh could be persuaded, why not God's chosen people? That is anti-Calvinist, isn't it?
God was showing that salvation is of the Lord of Israel, as He is Lord to both Jews and Gentiles alike!
To preshadow the coming messiah, who would be saved both Jews and gentiles!But the question is why was He showing that? To persuade? Or as you suggest, just an FYI?
To preshadow the coming messiah, who would be saved both Jews and gentiles!
We are that audience!Again, why? Who is the target audience and of what benefit was it meant to be to them?
We are that audience!
was to show to them that their God was the God for all, not just a local Deity!Jonah was an Israelite. It was not for his benefit? The book was in the canon of the Old Testament, for Israel. It was not meant for them to understand? Was it not for a rebuke to rebellious Israel? To make them jealous? To persuade them to repent? No?
was to show to them that their God was the God for all, not just a local Deity!
Yahweh always has His faithful remnant even in Apostate israel called out!This is just repetition of the same answer, i.e. it's just an FYI. "O Israel, by the way, the speed of light is 186 thousand miles per second. Don't know if you knew that or not. Otherwise, carry on."
Why does an apostate Israelite need to know what happened in Nineveh? Was it designed to perhaps, elicit a response? Yes or no?
Yahweh always has His faithful remnant even in Apostate israel called out!
The lost can not hear unless regenerated, then they have ears to hear.Exactly.
My comment is you seem to be suggesting the lost cannot hear, but consider -
Romans 10:13–15 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in him about whom they have not heard? And how will they hear about him without one who preaches to them? And how will they preach, unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How timely are the feet of those who bring good news of good things.”
Only the spiritual understand spiritual things. I agree here. But I disagree one is born again prior to being saved.The lost can not hear unless regenerated, then they have ears to hear.
Jesus tells us they are unable to listen to what he says, refer John 8 as to being of the devil (not of God) versus of God. 'Of God' means born of God with a regenerated spirit, they hear and follow Christ. so those of the devil have inability, minds blinded by Satan.
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil (the liar from the beginning)\
45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
(an inability to hear being of the devil, as in naturally minded, of the flesh, etc,,,)
verse 45, people of the devil, the flesh, wont believe the truth about Christ.
Jesus raises the question of why they do not believe in
him in verse 46, and gives the answer in verse 47
It actually is a very straight forward explanation.