Calvinist preachers, teachers, theologians

[jne1611]

God so loved the world
that he sent his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son
into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through him might be saved.

God is outside of time and sees who believes and knows who to call, who to predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, who to Justify (by the blood of His Son) and who to Glorify. He is everlasting to everlasting and sees all. He don't force no man to serve Him as the Calvinist say but gives all a choice but He is all in all and knows who the believer is.

Yes I know Bob. He chose us because we first chose him.:applause:

 

[Brother Bob]

choose ye this day whom ye shall serve and no man can serve two masters.

 

[jne1611]

choose ye this day whom ye shall serve and no man can serve two masters.

I did choose, when He drew me & taught me of Christ. John 6:44, 45. As do all of God's elect. Sweet Dreams!:sleep:

 

[Brother Bob]

We all chose to believe or we are lost.

Except you believe I am He you shall did in your sins.

You are not any different than all men. "The Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared unto all men, teachin them to deny ungodliness and wordly lust.

 

[jne1611]

We all chose to believe or we are lost.

Except you believe I am He you shall did in your sins.

You are not any different than all men. "The Grace of God which bringeth Salvation hath appeared unto all men, teachin them to deny ungodliness and wordly lust.

Pretty good, considering the text reads "US" not them. Good one.
By the time you get done. If your not careful, the whole of Scripture will be given to the lost instead of God's people.

 

[Brother Bob]

That don't change anything.

Just another case of the Calvinist having to change the meaning to "all'

Hebrews, chapter 2
"9": But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1 Timothy, chapter 2
"1": I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

"2": For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

"3": For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

"4": Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

"5": For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

"6": Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

2 Peter, chapter 2
1: But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, (Here proves some who were false prophets still were bought by the Lord) and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2: And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3: And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4:

 

[Brother Bob]

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

 

[Jim1999]

all, but instead of some.

Some wold rather relegate God to some puny role, whilst the all powerful human tells Him what He can and cannot do.

Pity! Pity! Pitiful God!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[jne1611]

all, but instead of some.

Some wold rather relegate God to some puny role, whilst the all powerful human tells Him what He can and cannot do.

Pity! Pity! Pitiful God!

Cheers,

Jim

So true. So true. Some see it apparently that He loves us because we first loved Him. Chose us because we first chose Him. etc. I am glad He saved me when I could not have saved myself!:thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

So true. So true. Some see it apparently that He loves us because we first loved Him. Chose us because we first chose Him. etc. I am glad He saved me when I could not have saved myself!:thumbs:

That is about as false as anyone can say.
We say He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

What bothers me that some think God is so small that He couldn't create man in His Soverneignty, know that He was creating him subject to vanity and the devil would be tempting him and God's Spirit would be stiving with man also and God gave man the ability to either choose good or evil.

Even the Calvinist say man had a choice before the fall but Jesus stood as a slain lamb even when the Calvinist say man had freewill.

We don't take anything away from God. Its you that take away from God saying that He can't make man able to choose. You also have to change so many words. Speaking of "all" now and cannot take it as "all", but try to change it to some.
Amen,

 

[Jim1999]

Some is mandated in the decrees. Are you familiar with the decrees?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Brother Bob]

Some is mandated in the decrees. Are you familiar with the decrees?

If you are talking about the Catholic Decrees it don't make any difference to me what the Decrees say.
I gave Scripture for what I believe and will always give Scripture. Not some man's writing or other people's beliefs, only Scripture.

 

[Jim1999]

The decrees are the first step in the study of theology. Theology is the Bible. It is the orderly garden of Bibe Study. The apex of Bible study.

The decrees are the order in which God did certain things, according to the scriptures. Without the decrees we cannot rightly place election, creation, soteriology.....It is basic, and the school that does not teach the decrees cannot but bastardize theology and the truth of God. That is why we have so many confused pulpiteers.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Brother Bob]

The decrees are the first step in the study of theology. Theology is the Bible. It is the orderly garden of Bibe Study. The apex of Bible study.

The decrees are the order in which God did certain things, according to the scriptures. Without the decrees we cannot rightly place election, creation, soteriology.....It is basic, and the school that does not teach the decrees cannot but bastardize theology and the truth of God. That is why we have so many confused pulpiteers.

Every Bible College that I have heard anything about depended on the denomination which that College held to. I have heard some of those so called Theologians say that "sin is good".

When you try to place the election I think you need to keep in mind that God is timeless. I think the most important thing is the Scriptures themselves and not how man has devised to study them. Again, it depends on what college you go to. I am sure you are familiar with that.

Theology is not the Scriptures themselves but the interptatation and analysis of them. Scroptures say let there be no private interptation of the scriptures but He that lacketh wisdom let him ask of God.

 

[Jim1999]

Frankly, Brother Bob, with all due respect, I think any further discussion on this subject is worthless. I will leave you in your beliefs.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Brother Bob]

Thank you Jim 1999; with all due respect, those Decrees were written by Calvinist and you want me to follow them in a discussion, you must be kidding.

BTW;

I understand why you want to use the Decrees for they lean towards the Calvinist belief. If my desire was to follow after a Calvinist theory then that is the way I would go but I choose to follow the Scriptures and the Holy Bible.

 

[Allan]

I always thought the first steps to theology were the scritpure by which we see doctrines established which is the basis of theololgy. Theology is derived from the bible though NOT the Bible.

We don't follow theology but Christ via His Word the Bible, however it is through theology that HELPS us see more clearly the intents and purposes of God.

The Decrees however were given form by men in postulating certain events within scripture asa marker or a catagorization (a slight over simplification) in order to better grasp a particular system of theology.

 

[Jarthur001]

Thank you Jim 1999; with all due respect, those Decrees were written by Calvinist and you want me to follow them in a discussion, you must be kidding.

BTW;

I understand why you want to use the Decrees for they lean towards the Calvinist belief. If my desire was to follow after a Calvinist theory then that is the way I would go but I choose to follow the Scriptures and the Holy Bible.

Bob,

Decrees are the Bible. They are The Word of God from God. When God said, "let there be light", this is a decree. I was writing a long reply, but there is so much on this by great men, I'll just post something from Pink, who says it better then I.

THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD

2. THE DECREES OF GOD​

The decree of God is His purpose or determination with respect to future things. We have used the singular number as Scripture does (Rom 8:28, Eph 3:11), because there was only one act of His infinite mind about future things. But we speak as if there had been many, because our minds are only capable of thinking of successive revolutions, as thoughts and occasions arise, or in reference to the various objects of His decree, which being many seem to us to require a distinct purpose for each one. But an infinite understanding does not proceed by steps, from one stage to another: "Known unto God are all His works, from the beginning of the world" (Acts 15:18).
The Scriptures make mention of the decrees of God in many passages, and under a variety of terms. The word "decree" is found in Psalm 2:7, etc. In Ephesians 3:11 we read of His "eternal purpose." In Acts 2:23 of His "determinate counsel and foreknowledge." In Ephesians 1:9 of the mystery of His "will." In Romans 8:29 that He also did predestinate. In Ephesians 1:9 of His "good pleasure." God’s decrees are called His "counsel" to signify they are consummately wise. They are called God’s "will" to show He was under no control, but acted according to His own pleasure. When a man’s will is the rule of his conduct, it is usually capricious and unreasonable; but wisdom is always associated with "will" in the Divine proceedings, and accordingly, God’s decrees are said to be "the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11).
The decrees of God relate to all future things without exception: whatever is done in time, was foreordained before time began. God’s purpose was concerned with everything, whether great or small, whether good or evil, although with reference to the latter we must be careful to state that while God is the Orderer and Controller of sin, He is not the Author of it in the same way that He is the Author of good. Sin could not proceed from a holy God by positive and direct creation, but only by decretive permission and negative action. God’s decree is as comprehensive as His government, extending to all creatures and all events. It was concerned about our life and death; about our state in time, and our state in eternity. As God works all things after the counsel of His own will, we learn from His works what His counsel is (was), as we judge of an architect’s plan by inspecting the building which was erected under his directions.
God did not merely decree to make man, place him upon the earth, and then leave him to his own uncontrolled guidance; instead, He fixed all the circumstances in the lot of individuals, and all the particulars which will comprise the history of the human race from its commencement to its close. He did not merely decree that general laws should be established for the government of the world, but He settled the application of those laws to all particular cases. Our days are numbered, and so are the hairs of our heads. We may learn what is the extent of the Divine decrees from the dispensations of providence, in which they are executed. The care of Providence reaches to the most insignificant creatures, and the most minute events—the death of a sparrow, and the fall of a hair.

The rest can be found here...

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Attributes/attrib_02.htm


BTW...The Attributes Of God by Pink where these words are found, is a good little read.


In Christ....James

 

[Jarthur001]

I always thought the first steps to theology were the scritpure by which we see doctrines established which is the basis of theololgy. Theology is derived from the bible though NOT the Bible.

We don't follow theology but Christ via His Word the Bible, however it is through theology that HELPS us see more clearly the intents and purposes of God.

The Decrees however were given form by men in postulating certain events within scripture asa marker or a catagorization (a slight over simplification) in order to better grasp a particular system of theology.

To gather verses is theology. But the idea of Gods decree is very much found in the Bible. We may disagree or how we apply these decrees, but it would be wrong to say they are not there.

 

[Brother Bob]

Thanks Allan;

Oh, they are there James, but what Jim and you are talking about is a list of decrees put together by men of which one is all about God choosing a few individuals to be saved and let the rest go. I will debate anyone and if they want to take a decree directly from the Bible so be it but to use a man made list that leans towards Calvinist doctrine would leave me no chance.

To start a debate on Decrees from a college and not the Bible itself is to no benefit to me or anyone else. You Calvinists say that Calvinisim is Scripture also but I don't follow that either. I read the decrees and there is no reason to follow a list when you have the Bible itself to follow. That is the reason there are so many different beliefs on BB today. I have taken Bible courses led by a professor that had some of the craziest ideas I ever heard and in no way could be called the Bible. There are several on here who claim to be theologians to which don't agree with each other, so I don't need to start out a debate already wrapped up in confusion.

The Decrees go back to 1886 and our own history goes back farther than that. Maybe they should of used our Decrees instead for we feel they are founded on Scripture.

Still not feeling well James but leaving for Tenn. today and will be back around Sunday if Lord's will. All prayers are appreciated and God Bless,

BTW, one of the oldest Bible colleges around is the Pikevile College started by the Methodist.

the·ol·o·gy
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Anglo-French, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world

I wonder if "you must believe" is one of those Decrees?

I wonder if " all means all is one of those Decrees?

I wonder if "the whole world" means the whole world is one of those Decrees?

I have just as much right to use the Scriptures for my Decrees as someone else has to use a College list of Decrees. I certainly don't believe they are on the "high" road and I am on the "low" road.

Seems some want to run to Greek or Hebrew translation or now a college list of Decrees they say came from the Bible when confronted with the actual scripture.