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Calvinists have a "higher" view of mankind than Non-Calvinists

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preacher4truth

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No I do not believe that salvation is a result of works. Titus 3:5 and Eph. 2:8, 9 teach that. Salvation is only in Christ. I am unable to see how anyone can follow Christ and live for him if they refuse to believe. Of course believe is a verb and that calls for action as James teaches about the difference between a genuine saving faith and a creedal faith.

James 1:22, "22 But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves." That goes beyond knowledge and leaving making disciples, etc. to others.

Following Christ I believe is much more than a call for just salvation. I believe that is a lie that has been so prevalent for many years. The call to follow is one that says we are fishers of men and make disciples too. The first step is the decision to follow Christ as Lord not just accepting fire insurance.

Two weeks ago an older man told me that he wanted to be an evangelist. After talking awhile I said that if God has called you then what are you waiting for?" I explained to him that there is 12,000 homes in the city and that evangelism is done out there and not in a church building. He admitted that he was afraid and had never done that. That is going beyond the intellectual Christianity that has been taught so much and being a doer of the word. He is now wrestling with God.
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Just for the record, the underlined portion above is not my teaching, just to clarify, nor is it a valid rebuttal of anything I've taught, as again, this is not representative of my teaching.

As far as your second noted paragraph above, following Christ certainly is a call to salvation, so, those who claim to be followers who don't follow, do not prove that this call is not salvific, nor does it disprove that salvation is an instantaneous act of God in regenerating the lost. It may only mean they aren't true followers afterall.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Just for the record, the underlined portion above is not my teaching, just to clarify, nor is it a valid rebuttal of anything I've taught, as again, this is not representative of my teaching.

As far as your second noted paragraph above, following Christ certainly is a call to salvation, so, those who claim to be followers who don't follow, do not prove that this call is not salvific, nor does it disprove that salvation is an instantaneous act of God in regenerating the lost. It may only mean they aren't true followers afterall.
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saved by the grace of God, walk in faith, and need to rely upon the empowering of the HS in us to be able to live as "we ought to"
 
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gb93433

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preacher4truth said:
As far as your second noted paragraph above, following Christ certainly is a call to salvation, so, those who claim to be followers who don't follow, do not prove that this call is not salvific, nor does it disprove that salvation is an instantaneous act of God in regenerating the lost. It may only mean they aren't true followers afterall.
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Following Christ begins with a call to salvation but does not stop there. It extends to the end of one's life.

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. 27 "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Luke 14:33 "So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

James teaches that if one is not a doer he is deceived. That is in agreement with the command Jesus gave in Mt. 28:19, 20 to observe all He commanded. That cannot be done with sermons only but must be done by making disciples. A Talmid was one who imitated the rabbi. That is what Jesus and Paul taught. Jesus taught people to follow Him. Paul told his followers to imitate him as he followed Christ. New believers do not know much of what is required. They simply observe and imitate others.
 
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