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Calvinists have a "higher" view of mankind than Non-Calvinists
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exactly......
Unlimited & boundless free will?
preacher4truth
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Not so friend. You misunderstand freewill as it applies to keeping law and to salvation, and none of us are able to exercise freewill in either without Divine assistance as the source to do so.
His commandments aren't opportunities to do good, but are rather proving that we are not inwardly good and that we cannot keep them. Why? Because we are not free in our wills spiritually but are instead enslaved to sin according to our Savior; John 8; and also Romans 3:20; Romans 11:32 "For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all." But I digress, these truths are only black and white to some and must be spiritually discerned.
preacher4truth
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Brother, I think you know better than this. His commandments aren't opportunities to do good.
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Yes, being spiritually dead is much worse.
No. I cannot change the color of my skin much like Michael Jackson tried.
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You are right. My heart must bea,t and my brain be functioning to make decisions.
The author of the book I read (scripture) says that his commandments are not burdensome. The Jews saw God's commands not as we do in America but as opportunities to do good. God's commands are His enablements.
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You'll have to do much better than this my friend.
You'll need more than a beating heart and active brain to do this, as will all. This need is called regeneration.
Yes the Author of the book I read says that it is not burdensome only within the context of those who are saved, as in 1 John 5:3.
Then we have this; Matthew 11:30, an invitation to come to Him, and after, His burden is light. Thus, this verse shows all those who are invited are in fact under a heavy burden, i.e. the unregenerate.
Peter also denies you here, in that he refers to, as well as others, that the Law was a yoke that none could bear, Acts 15:10. Thus, prior to regeneration, keeping these was a burden, and in the Law is the power of sin, Romans 3:20; 7:18.
Erwin Lutzer said he came to a lady and in their conversation he asked her if she were ungodly, and she rather emphatically replied that she is in no way ungodly. He told her, then Christ didn't die for you, for he died for the ungodly; Romans 5:6.
Only they who need a physician are healed, as here: "And Jesus answered and said to them, It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick..'" Luke 5:31.
None can be saved until they realize they are lost, and all unregenerate are under a burden, under wrath, and those attempting to keep the law, under a curse.
Your error comes in your failure to distinguish between passages referring to the regenerate, and passages referring to the unregenerate.
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The commands of God are for all people.
preacher4truth
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Ya think?
For the lost to prove they are lost, not to keep in order to be good as you erroneously believe.
As I've shown you, His Laws are not a burden: to the regenerate.
Look at the Scriptures given you my friend. Don't just dismiss them with a short deficient quip.
So you call the unregenerate to leave during the sermon in a service because you distinguish who the words are for? Scripture was given to all men not just a few. God's laws/commands were given to all men not just the unregenerate. When Jesus taught the parable of the sower He did distinguish who the believers and unbelievers were. He simply taught the message and each would have heard what they needed.
The point of salvation is not the minimum of fire insurance but the minimum standard iss the same as the highest standard.
preacher4truth
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Now you're just getting silly. I preach the Word to all, and I preach it exegetically. All those in attendance are there by Divine appointment and they all hear the message.
Do I distinguish who the words are for? Absolutely. It's called context. You should also, this is again where your error comes in, and as you admit, you don't distinguish who they are for in context. Now you can see why your teaching is in error.
I've proven to you the proper context of those to whom the commandments aren't burdensome to. Again, it's only the regenerate. This is called proper handling of the Word.
Jesus in Matthew 11:30 preached all to come to Him, meaning all that are lost, showing that all who are in such a state are under a burden, which included those attempting to keep the law, which was a yoke and a curse to them.
God's laws are for mankind, but keeping them is accomplished only by the regenerate as I've shown you. Each person is in a different case, either saved, or lost. We are called to rightly handle the Word, which is what I've done here.
You're also incorrect, as in fact Jesus did show who believers are, and who unbelievers are. In this you do err my friend.
The only way of salvation is through Christ alone, not in keeping commandments. You cannot keep commandments and make it there, you must be born again, regenerated.
Your story here sounds work-based, and in addition, you admit you don't distinguish which passages are for whom. Hint: The NT epistles are for the regenerate. One more thing, you haven't kept the Law. Only One has.
Now, I will give you this one more time:
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Name one preacher or writer in scripture who did.
So you know who is saved and who is not? Jesus' disciples were not even that good.
Believe is one of God's commands.
Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
No is has nothing to do with works but the historical context of scripture and what actually happened.
In every church were mixed audiences. How do you think others commented about their love feasts? So are you saying that only believers were there? Hardly.
Again I will repeat, the highest and lowest standard of living for Christ is the same. so that message applies to everyone.
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It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Your ignorance of the historical context of scripture shows. It is people like you who have taught those I deal with now who have thrown in the towel on the Bible because all they hear is sugar water like you promote. A few years ago and a few months ago I dealt with two men who had left the faith because of men like you who had no answers other than SYI. They could not answers their questions simply because they did not know the historical context of scripture. It is clear that you need to spend more time studying instead of proclaiming your ignorance.
Simply because you are so able to judge others then gives us the historical context of Judaism of Mt. 18:20 and give its application because you need to understand its historical context do you can apply it personally. I am waiting for your answer. Please do not give your ignorance but the result of your study.
Did he tell you how to eat too? If you were a Jew you would have understood what a Jew understood. Do you not know that some understand what you do not. Some have the gifts of teaching too.
preacher4truth
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The greatest of all, Jesus. Luke 24:27. Philip to the Eunuch, Acts 8:30 &c. Paul also did this in his preaching in the synagogues.
Nice twisting there, I've never said anything close to that. Knowing which passages are for the church, the regenerate, and which are not written nor applicable specifically to the lost in context doesn't mean I know who is and who isn't saved. You're getting sillier by the minute.
I just happen to know when a passage is written to the church, the regenerate, and when it applies to them only. You've admitted you cannot do this which is becoming more undersandable as to why.
Ya think? Your point? Wonder who "believe" is to here, Acts 16:31? Answer; the lost. I wonder who "believe" refers to here, 1 John 5:13? Answer; the saved.
Yep. This is for the lost. Your point?
You make no sense here. Why talk context now, you haven't used context to date.
More silliness. I've never implied who was or who was not at a local gathering, only where passages apply to the regenerate and not to the unregenerate. Your misunderstanding and is more vast than I expected.
Just because churches have a mixture of saved and lost doesn't negate the fact that keeping the commands of God are not burdensome to the regenerate only. So your point here is moot.
The message doesn't apply to the lost, they must be saved first, so, no, it doesn't apply to everyone. Living for Christ doesn't save.
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preacher4truth
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There's no need for your pugnacious remarks, keep them to yourself. Nothing in what I've said, taught, or in how I am instructing one in error is a waste of time. I can't say that for what you've said here.
If it's not edifying to you, then don't read it.
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