Can a Dead Body Sin?

[steaver]

Well, I do know according to scripture, we can shorten our days.

BBob,

True, so is 1Jo 5:16 speaking about physical death?

:godisgood:

 

[Brother Bob]

True, so is 1Jo 5:16 speaking about physical death?

:godisgood:

Sounds to me that it covers both in 1 John, but in Corth it has to mean shortening the days of believers, or at least that is my opinion. I believe a saved person could go so far, as God would shorten his life, so that he does not put God to an open shame. In other words, kept by the power of God, so as not to commit those sins we have been speaking of and not "shooting spit wads" either.............



BBob,

 

[steaver]

I believe a saved person could go so far, as God would shorten his life, so that he does not put God to an open shame. In other words, kept by the power of God, so as not to commit those sins we have been speaking of and not "shooting spit wads" either.............

I absolutely agree with the first part of what I highlighted above. Of course not the latter.

But what sins could a saved person be committing that would be putting God to an open shame?

:jesus:

 

[Brother Bob]

I absolutely agree with the first part of what I highlighted above. Of course not the latter.

But what sins could a saved person be committing that would be putting God to an open shame?

:jesus:

None, God won't let him.

Who is your Master anyway, no man can serve two Masters. You either hate one and love the other, or hold to one and despise the other.

Do you ask for forgiveness of sins in your daily life?

If so, then why if they are all already under the cross?

Don't you really trust that they are covered by the cross, so you ask for forgiveness again?

BBob,

 

[DHK]

None, God won't let him.

Who is your Master anyway, no man can serve two Masters. You either hate one and love the other, or hold to one and despise the other.

BBob,

So God strong arms every Christian and forces them against their will so that even if they would want to sin, they can't because God won't let them according to your theology.
I guess we don't have a will after all.

 

[Brother Bob]

So God strong arms every Christian and forces them against their will so that even if they would want to sin, they can't because God won't let them according to your theology.
I guess we don't have a will after all.

No, He leads them in the way of all righteous. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God. You think God's Spirit will lead you to sin ??????

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You seem to go against scripture on every turn.IMO

BBob,

 

[DHK]

No, He leads them in the way of all righteous. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God. You think God's Spirit will lead you to sin ??????

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You seem to go against scripture on every turn.IMO

BBob,

The only person that yielded himself to the Holy Spirit 100%, 100% of the time was Jesus. He alone was sinless. In the Scripture you quote above you come close to claiming sinless again, and yet in other posts you say you are not. Thus you contradict yourself.

Verse 14--Are you always led by the Spirit of God, all the time, 100% of the time, even when you sin, as you admitted that you do. If you have sinned then, how can you claim to be a son of God, according to your own theology? How can you claim to have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, and be sinning at the same time. This is what you teach, but your life contradicts it and you know it. You have admitted it on this board. You have admitted that you are not perfect and that you do sin. So which is it? You are trying to sit on both sides of the fence. It doesn't work Bob.

 

[Brother Bob]

The only person that yielded himself to the Holy Spirit 100%, 100% of the time was Jesus. He alone was sinless. In the Scripture you quote above you come close to claiming sinless again, and yet in other posts you say you are not. Thus you contradict yourself.

Verse 14--Are you always led by the Spirit of God, all the time, 100% of the time, even when you sin, as you admitted that you do. If you have sinned then, how can you claim to be a son of God, according to your own theology? How can you claim to have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, and be sinning at the same time. This is what you teach, but your life contradicts it and you know it. You have admitted it on this board. You have admitted that you are not perfect and that you do sin. So which is it? You are trying to sit on both sides of the fence. It doesn't work Bob.

I have admitted to sinning not unto death. The Holy Spirit has never let me committ adultery or any of the other Commandments of the Law. Your mistake is not realizing the man "born again" is the inward man.

Are you just led by he Spirit of God from time to time? Are you a Christian 100% of the time of just say 50%. Do you serve God through the week, or just on Sundays. My flesh is where my weakness is, but the man on the inside is stronger than the man on the outside, and does not let me go as far as you say Christians go.

What percentage do you say that you serve God?????????????

I would hate to believe my "brother in Christ" was hitting on my wife. According to you, they could.

I would not want to be one of your kind of Christian. Do you all spend a lot of time keeping an eye on each other. We have that "Christian" trust among us, that is why we can rejoice together. We love each other for what we are.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

I have admitted to sinning not unto death. The Holy Spirit has never let me committ adultery or any of the other Commandments of the Law. Your mistake is not realizing the man "born again" is the inward man.

Are you just led by he Spirit of God from time to time? Are you a Christian 100% of the time of just say 50%. Do you serve God through the week, or just on Sundays. My flesh is where my weakness is, but the man on the inside is stronger than the man on the outside, and does not let me go as far as you say Christians go.

How far is that?
Where is the line?
And who gets to pretend to play God and draw the line for the rest of us?

 

[Brother Bob]

How far is that?
Where is the line?
And who gets to pretend to play God and draw the line for the rest of us?

What Jesus said, a sin that is not unto death.

Tell me again, is being a Christian a percentage thing. We are Christians only a percentage of our lives, is that what you believe DHK;, or did you just make the biggest goof of your life?????

BBob,

 

[DHK]

What Jesus said, a sin that is not unto death.

Tell me again, is being a Christian a percentage thing. We are Christians only a percentage of our lives, is that what you believe DHK;, or did you just make the biggest goof of your life?????

BBob,

Nope, I said the only person that totally submitted Himself to the Holy Spirit 100%, and 100% of the time was Jesus Christ. Do you also claim the same status as He Bob? Are you also sinless, like the sinless son of God, or are you a 50% Christian? Which one do you choose?
Did you just make the biggest goof of your life?

 

[Brother Bob]

Nope, I said the only person that totally submitted Himself to the Holy Spirit 100%, and 100% of the time was Jesus Christ. Do you also claim the same status as He Bob? Are you also sinless, like the sinless son of God, or are you a 50% Christian? Which one do you choose?
Did you just make the biggest goof of your life?

I choose that I am a 100% Christian.

Jesus was the Christ, not a Christian. Christian is to be Christ like.

So you are just a percentage of a Christian??

Are you learning anything DHK, or is it all in vain???

BBob,

 

[DHK]

I choose that I am a 100% Christian.

Jesus was the Christ, not a Christian. Christian is to be Christ like.

Are you learning anything DHK, or is it all in vain???

BBob,

Christ may have saved you; and you may have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. In that sense we are 100% Christians as we are children of God. But it is impossible for any Christian to submit to the Holy Spirit 100% of the time. He that says he does is a liar and the truth is not in Him. He also makes Jesus Christ a liar (1John 1:8,10).

We sin. For that reason John said we need to confess our sin (1John 1:9).
Jesus never had to do that for he never sinned.

What sins do you confess?
Are they little?
Are they big?
It doesn't matter how you classify them because God classifies them all the same. And the smallest white lie is enough to condemn one to Hell.

 

[Brother Bob]

Christ may have saved you; and you may have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. In that sense we are 100% Christians as we are children of God. But it is impossible for any Christian to submit to the Holy Spirit 100% of the time. He that says he does is a liar and the truth is not in Him. He also makes Jesus Christ a liar (1John 1:8,10).

Rom 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So, you say that sometimes we are Christians led by the Spirit of Christ and sometimes we are not Christians. You say it is a "percentage" Christian. Scripture plainly says, if we are not led by His Spirit, we are none of His. You say, that we are just led by His Spirit a percentage of the time, so that makes us "percentage" Christians. New one on me, You ain't learning anything are you?


We sin. For that reason John said we need to confess our sin (1John 1:9).
Jesus never had to do that for he never sinned.

What sins do you confess?
Are they little?
Are they big?
It doesn't matter how you classify them because God classifies them all the same. And the smallest white lie is enough to condemn one to Hell.

What sins do you confess?
Are they little?
Are they big?
It doesn't matter how you classify them because God classifies them all the same. And the smallest white lie is enough to condemn one to Hell

You answered it yourself and plainly are saying it makes no difference what I say.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

You answered it yourself and plainly are saying it makes no difference what I say.

BBob,

In a sense it doesn't does it. It doesn't matter what I say either. What does matter is what God says, and that we make sure we understand what God is saying. When God does not draw any lines or classifications of sins, then why should we? God is not a Catholic. There are no such things as venial and mortal sins. It was just a lie that brought on "the sin of death" upon Annanias and Sapphira, and it was abuse of the Lord's Table that brought that same condemnation upon some of the Corinithian saints (1Cor.11:30). They both had sinned a sin unto death. It only took a lie. It didn't have to take adultery, homosexuality, or murder. It just took a lie, and that is all.

All sin has a consequence to it.
All sin is the same in God's eyes.
God makes no difference.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[Brother Bob]

In a sense it doesn't does it. It doesn't matter what I say either. What does matter is what God says, and that we make sure we understand what God is saying. When God does not draw any lines or classifications of sins, then why should we? God is not a Catholic. There are no such things as venial and mortal sins. It was just a lie that brought on "the sin of death" upon Annanias and Sapphira, and it was abuse of the Lord's Table that brought that same condemnation upon some of the Corinithian saints (1Cor.11:30). They both had sinned a sin unto death. It only took a lie. It didn't have to take adultery, homosexuality, or murder. It just took a lie, and that is all.

All sin has a consequence to it.
All sin is the same in God's eyes.
God makes no difference.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James was speaking of the 10 Commandments.

I would love to see you debate Jesus.........

1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Of course you would be right about Christians committing any sin known unto mankind, if we were all "percentage" Christians. We could do any evil, while we don't have the Spirit of Christ in us.

BBob,

I have tests to be run tomorrow, so I must get in bed. Have a good evening.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

HP: Lets get back to AT Roberton’s quote for a minute. He says that 1John 3:6 is to be taken as

1Jn 3:6 Sinneth not (ouch hamartanei). Linear present (linear menōn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of hamartanō, “does not keep on sinning.”

[FONT=&quot]My question to DHK is how many times does a person have to sin to rightfully be denoted by the official GK as one that “sinneth?” Say one is in the habit of sinning and comes to the Lord. Subsequently he commits the same sin or sins that he did before one came to the Lord. Now tell me honestly DHK, with no fudging please, for God is listening, have you ever been guilty of that? Have you ever committed the same sin or sins (in light of your conception and definition of sin as it exist today) that you habitually committed before salvation after you were saved? Tell me DHK, is one that is guilty of committing a sin now that they habitually committed in the past, guilty or not of sin as mentioned in 1John 3:6? Could it be said of the one that commits the same sin(s) he habitually committed before one was saved, after one is saved, that such a one “sinneth? If not why not?[/FONT]

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: God is not a Catholic.

HP:Amen DHK!:thumbs: I certainly would not believe so. Neither is He a Baptist or a Calvinist. :wavey:

 

[DHK]

James was speaking of the 10 Commandments.

One of the Ten Commandments is: "Thou shalt not bear false witness," meaning in simple terms, "Don' lie." Every man has lied; the Bible testifies to that fact. Thus you have lied also. James says that if you have broken just one of these commands (like lying) then you are just as guilty as if you have broken them all (like adultery and murder). We are terrible guilty sinners before God.

I would love to see you debate Jesus.........

I look forward to being with Jesus.

1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

There is a sin unto death. Annanias and Sapphira found that out, didn't they?

1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

See above. Go to Acts 5:1-10

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

And do you yield yourself as a servant of obedience unto righteousness 100% of the time without fail, never sinning even once? If not, what is the purpose of posting this verse since you also are under its condemnation.

Of course you would be right about Christians committing any sin known unto mankind, if we were all "percentage" Christians. We could do any evil, while we don't have the Spirit of Christ in us.

Even with the Spirit of Christ in you, you still sin.
Bob, you admitted you sin. You do evil, and yet you have the Spirit of Christ in you. All sin is evil. Not just some sin. All of it. Big sins and little sins--it is all evil. And here is what Habakkuk says about it:

Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

 

[DHK]

HP: Lets get back to AT Roberton’s quote for a minute. He says that 1John 3:6 is to be taken as

1Jn 3:6 Sinneth not (ouch hamartanei). Linear present (linear menōn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of hamartanō, “does not keep on sinning.”

[FONT=&quot]My question to DHK is how many times does a person have to sin to rightfully be denoted by the official GK as one that “sinneth?” Say one is in the habit of sinning and comes to the Lord. Subsequently he commits the same sin or sins that he did before one came to the Lord. Now tell me honestly DHK, with no fudging please, for God is listening, have you ever been guilty of that? Have you ever committed the same sin or sins (in light of your conception and definition of sin as it exist today) that you habitually committed before salvation after you were saved? Tell me DHK, is one that is guilty of committing a sin now that they habitually committed in the past, guilty or not of sin as mentioned in 1John 3:6? Could it be said of the one that commits the same sin(s) he habitually committed before one was saved, after one is saved, that such a one “sinneth? If not why not?[/FONT]

Read the quotes by Robertson carefully. I am sure you can figure it out. A Christian does not live a "lifestyle of sin." God changes him. I do not live in the same lifestyle of sin that I lived before I was saved. Christ changed me and continues to change me day by day. Most Christians on this board can attest to the same thing.

Take two examples:
David sinned. He committed adultery and tried to cover up that heinous crime by another, murder. David, of all people, known as a man after God's own heart committed two of the gravest sins a man can commit. Many would say that that would condemn him to hell right there and then. But then David was confronted by the prophet Nathan. Nathan confronted David with his sin. David repented. David was forgiven, for God is a forgiving and merciful God. David had no question in his heart about God's forgiveness. He testifies about it in Romans 4.

What if David had died before Nathan had reached David. Suppose he had a heart attack before Nathan was able to rebuke him? Would David still have gone to heaven. Yes, I believe so. Salvation is not conditioned on our works, on our confession our sin, but on whether we have faith in God. David had faith. The sin didn't condemn David to Hell. He was already saved, and saved for all eternity. The sin broke his fellowship with God, not his salvation. When David repented his fellowship was restored. His salvation was never lost in the first place. David had prayed in his prayer of repentance (Psalm 51) "Restore unto me the "JOY" of my salvation," not restore unto me, my salvation. He had lost his joy, not his salvation.

In the NT, we have the example of Judas Iscariot who betrayed Christ. He came to the realization that he had done wrong. He went and through the blood money back into the Temple. It says that he "repented," and then went out and hung himself. Did he really repent? No. What he did was feel sorry that he did something bad. He did not repent. He only felt sorry for what he did. He was still condemned as a sinner. His lifestyle never changed. Had he truly repented he would have joined himself with the disciples and sought out true repentance as Peter did, and would have been a witness for the Lord. But he wasn't. He went out and committed suicide instead. His lifestyle never changed.

When Christ saves, Christ changes the person. If there is no change in a person it is doubtful that the person was ever saved in the first place.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.