Can a Dead Body Sin?

[steaver]

BBob: None, God won't let him.

Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly. You stated that "a saved person could go so far"...as God would shorten his life...

What sins do you know of or believe to be going to far? Are there examples in scripture? Why do you believe this? It must be based on scripture, right?

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly. You stated that "a saved person could go so far"...as God would shorten his life...

What sins do you know of or believe to be going to far? Are there examples in scripture? Why do you believe this? It must be based on scripture, right?

God Bless!

Scripture is all I use Steaver.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

One of the Ten Commandments is: "Thou shalt not bear false witness," meaning in simple terms, "Don' lie." Every man has lied; the Bible testifies to that fact. Thus you have lied also. James says that if you have broken just one of these commands (like lying) then you are just as guilty as if you have broken them all (like adultery and murder). We are terrible guilty sinners before God.

I look forward to being with Jesus.

There is a sin unto death. Annanias and Sapphira found that out, didn't they?
See above. Go to Acts 5:1-10

And do you yield yourself as a servant of obedience unto righteousness 100% of the time without fail, never sinning even once? If not, what is the purpose of posting this verse since you also are under its condemnation.

Even with the Spirit of Christ in you, you still sin.
Bob, you admitted you sin. You do evil, and yet you have the Spirit of Christ in you. All sin is evil. Not just some sin. All of it. Big sins and little sins--it is all evil. And here is what Habakkuk says about it:

Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

Maybe you could enlighten me when I "lied"?

Also, still waiting on what percentage of a Christian you are??

BBob,

 

[DHK]

Maybe you could enlighten me when I "lied"?

You know I can't tell you that. But I know you have because the Bible say you have. "Let God be true but every man a liar" and ever man is a liar. Every man has lied. It is a lie to say you haven't lied. So if you affirm that you haven't lied in your life you are lying on this board.

Also, still waiting on what percentage of a Christian you are??

BBob,

I explained that to you already. You should read my posts to you. I explained it to you in post #173. Go back and read it there.

 

[steaver]

Scripture is all I use Steaver.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

BBob,

BBob, are you not understanding my question or are you dilberately playing with me?

You said "a saved person can go so far as to have God shorten his life". What sins would this saved person be doing that is so far as to have God shorten their life?

Scripture is fine, give me some examples as to why you believe this from scripture. The Scripture you posted is sins that you say a person who is saved CANNOT commit. I want to know what sins a person who is saved might commit that could cause God to shorten their life?

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

You know I can't tell you that. But I know you have because the Bible say you have. "Let God be true but every man a liar" and ever man is a liar. Every man has lied. It is a lie to say you haven't lied. So if you affirm that you haven't lied in your life you are lying on this board.

I explained that to you already. You should read my posts to you. I explained it to you in post #173. Go back and read it there.

I don't deny that I have lied in my life, that is different than lying as a Christian.

Jesus is not going to tell us that all liars will have their part in the LoF and then say that all men are liars. That would be saying that ALL men are lost.

He is saying if you confront God on anything, it is God who is truthful, not us.

That is exactly how inconsistant you are in your statement, as if God has already condemned all men to the LoF.

Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You speak words without wisdom Sir! IMO

Verse 14--Are you always led by the Spirit of God, all the time, 100% of the time, even when you sin, as you admitted that you do. If you have sinned then, how can you claim to be a son of God, according to your own theology? How can you claim to have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, and be sinning at the same time. This is what you teach, but your life contradicts it and you know it. You have admitted it on this board. You have admitted that you are not perfect and that you do sin. So which is it? You are trying to sit on both sides of the fence. It doesn't work Bob.
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DHK

You blew it and you know it. YOu can't have the Spirit of Chirst and then not have it and then have it. It does not work that way, you either got it or you don't.

Rom 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

BBob,

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: You know I can't tell you that. But I know you have because the Bible say you have. "Let God be true but every man a liar" and ever man is a liar. Every man has lied. It is a lie to say you haven't lied. So if you affirm that you haven't lied in your life you are lying on this board.

HP: Ps 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

The Scripture you use to accuse all men of lying says no such thing. It would appear that the verse in question, in light of the context it is stated in, simply is saying that if the promises of God seem not to be accomplished, it is not because God has made it so, but rather that man has failed to meet the conditions God has established for the fruition or completion of the promise. It is man that has failed in such cases, not God failing to grant His promise.

 

[Brother Bob]

BBob, are you not understanding my question or are you dilberately playing with me?

You said "a saved person can go so far as to have God shorten his life". What sins would this saved person be doing that is so far as to have God shorten their life?

Scripture is fine, give me some examples as to why you believe this from scripture. The Scripture you posted is sins that you say a person who is saved CANNOT commit. I want to know what sins a person who is saved might commit that could cause God to shorten their life?

God Bless!

Scripture tells you that Steaver. If you take the bread and the fruit of the vine unworthily, then for this cause many sleep.

1Cr 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

1Cr 11:30 For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Also, he would not have to be committing the sin, just getting in a condition that he is ready to commit the sin, but God will not let him, whatever it takes.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

HP: Ps 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

The Scripture you use to accuse all men of lying says no such thing. It would appear that the verse in question, in light of the context it is stated in, simply is saying that if the promises of God seem not to be accomplished, it is not because God has made it so, but rather that man has failed to meet the conditions God has established for the fruition or completion of the promise. It is man that has failed in such cases, not God failing to grant His promise.

Don't try to anticipate or guess at what I said. I never quoted Psalm 116:11.
The verse I was referencing (which Bob also correctly referred to), is Romans 3:4

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

And every man is a liar.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
--Lying is the most common sin in the world.

In Romans 3:4 the two phrases are juxtaposed one against the other. Only God is true; as opposed to man. As God is true; man is false. The word translated "liar" could also be translated "false." It is a comparison between God and man. Man is a liar. God is truth. All men lie. Only God is truth. That is the comparison that is being made in the verse.

 

[DHK]

I don't deny that I have lied in my life, that is different than lying as a Christian.

Jesus is not going to tell us that all liars will have their part in the LoF and then say that all men are liars. That would be saying that ALL men are lost.

No, it isn't. All men are sinners. Some are saved sinners and some are lost sinners. "I am only a sinner saved by grace." But I still am a sinner. Paul referred to himself as the chief of sinners. Sinners lie Bob. They are not perfect.

Paul referred to himself (as a Christian), and said:
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
--Perhaps that evil that he was speaking of was lying. He was a sinner, Bob.

He is saying if you confront God on anything, it is God who is truthful, not us.

That is right; because every last one of us are liars. Only God is true. That is what the verse teaches.

That is exactly how inconsistant you are in your statement, as if God has already condemned all men to the LoF.

Then was the atonement made in vain? Didn't Christ die for sinners, which would include liars?

Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You speak words without wisdom Sir! IMO

Find out the meaning of the verse before you start name-calling Bob.
Have you ever experienced fear? Do you know Christians that have?
Because they have experienced fear do YOU condemn them to the LoF just like those who have told lies?
You are not consistent Bob.

You blew it and you know it. YOu can't have the Spirit of Chirst and then not have it and then have it. It does not work that way, you either got it or you don't.

Is this an admission that you are saying that you are just like Christ, sinless in every respect, never having an unholy thought, never once having told a lie, always 100% of the time fully submitted to the Holy Spirit, always doing the will of the Father, always, never, ever sinning. You are absolutely perfect in every way.

In your own words: "You can't have the Spirit of Christ and then not have it and then have it. It doesn't work that way. You either got it or you don't."

Your theology seems to say that unless you are as perfect and sinless as Christ was and is, then you don't have the Holy Spirit. You already admitted that you do sin. I can only conclude from your own words that you don't have the Holy Spirit. That comes from your writings not mine. I wouldn't want to say that about you, but that is what your theology is telling me.

 

[Brother Bob]

No, it isn't. All men are sinners. Some are saved sinners and some are lost sinners. "I am only a sinner saved by grace." But I still am a sinner. Paul referred to himself as the chief of sinners. Sinners lie Bob. They are not perfect.

Paul referred to himself (as a Christian), and said:
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
--Perhaps that evil that he was speaking of was lying. He was a sinner, Bob.

That is right; because every last one of us are liars. Only God is true. That is what the verse teaches.

Then was the atonement made in vain? Didn't Christ die for sinners, which would include liars?

Find out the meaning of the verse before you start name-calling Bob.
Have you ever experienced fear? Do you know Christians that have?
Because they have experienced fear do YOU condemn them to the LoF just like those who have told lies?
You are not consistent Bob.

Is this an admission that you are saying that you are just like Christ, sinless in every respect, never having an unholy thought, never once having told a lie, always 100% of the time fully submitted to the Holy Spirit, always doing the will of the Father, always, never, ever sinning. You are absolutely perfect in every way.

In your own words: "You can't have the Spirit of Christ and then not have it and then have it. It doesn't work that way. You either got it or you don't."

Your theology seems to say that unless you are as perfect and sinless as Christ was and is, then you don't have the Holy Spirit. You already admitted that you do sin. I can only conclude from your own words that you don't have the Holy Spirit. That comes from your writings not mine. I wouldn't want to say that about you, but that is what your theology is telling me.

I have answered everyone of this statements at least 10 to 20 times.

I am really interested in how much of your life you have the Spirit of Christ.
I have Him all the time, He is even in my mouth, heart soul mind and strength.

I am a 100% Christian DHK; You will have to answer for yourself.

I sure would hate to see you die at a time you did not have the Spirit of Christ.

You don't speak good doctrine DHK;, you speak a sometimes doctrine, We are liars, but then we are not liars enough to go to the Lake of Fire. We commit sin unto death, but yet, not the sin that would take us to the Lake.

Read one simple scripture DHK; Jesus said "go and sin no more". I think you are a good man DHK, but you probably don't give a hoot about me. I think you were entangled with the Catholics and broke free, that their ways drive you beyond reasoning. All you keep bring up, is the Catholics. Get them out of your life and your head, your soul will rest better.

I don't want to say anymore and hurt your feelings. I will say this though. You can't be a Christian and not be Christlike. Being Christlike, does not include all those sins, such as adultery, lying, murder (angry at your brother) as you put it. A Christian will not let the sun go down on his wrath.

Whether you believe me or not, I do not lie. I don't cross God, I follow Him, therefore I am not among those who lie.

In this thread you have spoken of a percentage Christian, all men "including Christians" are liars, That the blood of Christ will cover you, if you shoot a man between the eyes with a 38, etc.

Also, there is a inward man that is sinnless, and going to heaven at our death. Will not have to be changed, for it already is changed. Will not have to be forgiven of sin, for it already was at the cross and never sin again, for that which is born of God, cannot sin.

My flesh will have to receive a change though, but for now, it is a crucified man, kept by the inward man and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, that will not let it break the 10 Commandments, which the Bible says is what sin is.

1Ti 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

You seem to believe that a righteous man can be lawless, disobedient, ungodly, unholy and profane, a murder of fathers and mothers and a manslayer, as long as he has the blood of Christ.
Who would bring the blood of Christ down that low? IMO

Romans 8:

This is a Christian:

1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11: But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


BBob,

 

[steaver]

Scripture tells you that Steaver. If you take the bread and the fruit of the vine unworthily, then for this cause many sleep.

1Cr 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

1Cr 11:30 For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Also, he would not have to be committing the sin, just getting in a condition that he is ready to commit the sin, but God will not let him, whatever it takes.

BBob,

I see that in this passage you reference there are two acts that are singled out.....

1Cr 11:21For in eating every one taketh before [other] his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.


One, hogging a bunch of food in and not considering others will not get any.

Two, sucking down a bunch of wine and getting drunk.

Are these two acts, which most definitely were done by saved persons according to scripture, transgressing the law?

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

I see that in this passage you reference there are two acts that are singled out.....

1Cr 11:21For in eating every one taketh before [other] his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.


One, hogging a bunch of food in and not considering others will not get any.

Two, sucking down a bunch of wine and getting drunk.

Are these two acts, which most definitely were done by saved persons according to scripture, transgressing the law?

God Bless!

It doesn't specify what, but I suppose it is eating the shew bread just to fill their somachs, instead in worship of the Lord. Or to take the communion, while have an ought against thy brethren. Just my suppositions though.

BBob,

 

[steaver]

It doesn't specify what, but I suppose it is eating the shew bread just to fill their somachs, instead in worship of the Lord. Or to take the communion, while have an ought against thy brethren. Just my suppositions though.

BBob,

These are very serious suppositions! And I believe you nailed it!

You just discribed these believers as breaking these commandments....

Luk 10:27 And he (Jesus) answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

:godisgood:

 

[Brother Bob]

These are very serious suppositions! And I believe you nailed it!

You just discribed these believers as breaking these commandments....

Luk 10:27 And he (Jesus) answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

:godisgood:

You honestly think I did not know where you were heading with your questions. Maybe they did not eat the bread but were thinking about doing it. If they had an ought with one of their brothers, how is that breaking the commandment you speak of. It does not. I spoke of believers who were about to do something but God would not let them.
Your trap did not work.

Maybe they were like others who pretend to be believers and are not.

Pro 22:5Thorns [and] snares [are] in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

You honestly think I did not know where you were heading with your questions. Maybe they did not eat the bread but were thinking about doing it. If they had an ought with one of their brothers, how is that breaking the commandment you speak of. It does not. I spoke of believers who were about to do something but God would not let them.
Your trap did not work.

Maybe they were like others who pretend to be believers and are not.

Pro 22:5Thorns [and] snares [are] in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

BBob,

1 Corinthians 11:20-22 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

The Context is the Lord's Supper.
Verse 20--The purpose of coming together into one place was to eat the Lord's Supper. That statement was a rebuke, a conclusion to what they had been doing. It was impossible to eat the Lord's Supper because of what they were doing. The ASV puts it this way:

1 Corinthians 11:20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:

The reason why it was not possible to eat the Lord's Supper:
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
--They were having a "love feast". In modern terms we would call it a pot luck supper. They got together and ate--the rich with the rich and the poor with the poor. There were divisions among them. The poor went away hungry. And the rich went away drunk. And then they were going to celebrate the Lord's Supper??

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
--Now was not the time. They had houses to eat in. They were making a mockery out of the church of God. Paul couldn't praise them in any of this.
Now, starting in verse 23 Paul gives instructions for celebrating the Lord's Table.

AT the conclusion of those instructions he gives this warning:
1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
--First they were to examine themselves to see if they were worthy--was ther sin in their lives? They needed to be right with the Lord.
Second he gives the stern warning that if they were not right with the Lord they would bring condemnation upon themselves.

That had already happened as he points out:
1 Corinthians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Some were weak (physically); some were sickly (physically); and some were (sleep or dead) physically). This is a sin unto death. God had actually killed some of them for abusing the Lord's Supper.

These were believers, carnal believers. Some of them had been drunk. They were divisive, unwilling to share their food with those who had not. They used the church of God for their own selfish gain, and yet they were believers.

 

[Brother Bob]

1 Corinthians 11:20-22 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

The Context is the Lord's Supper.
Verse 20--The purpose of coming together into one place was to eat the Lord's Supper. That statement was a rebuke, a conclusion to what they had been doing. It was impossible to eat the Lord's Supper because of what they were doing. The ASV puts it this way:

1 Corinthians 11:20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:

The reason why it was not possible to eat the Lord's Supper:
21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
--They were having a "love feast". In modern terms we would call it a pot luck supper. They got together and ate--the rich with the rich and the poor with the poor. There were divisions among them. The poor went away hungry. And the rich went away drunk. And then they were going to celebrate the Lord's Supper??

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
--Now was not the time. They had houses to eat in. They were making a mockery out of the church of God. Paul couldn't praise them in any of this.
Now, starting in verse 23 Paul gives instructions for celebrating the Lord's Table.

AT the conclusion of those instructions he gives this warning:
1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
--First they were to examine themselves to see if they were worthy--was ther sin in their lives? They needed to be right with the Lord.
Second he gives the stern warning that if they were not right with the Lord they would bring condemnation upon themselves.

That had already happened as he points out:
1 Corinthians 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Some were weak (physically); some were sickly (physically); and some were (sleep or dead) physically). This is a sin unto death. God had actually killed some of them for abusing the Lord's Supper.

These were believers, carnal believers. Some of them had been drunk. They were divisive, unwilling to share their food with those who had not. They used the church of God for their own selfish gain, and yet they were believers.

Yes, and in those days there were many who followed just to eat the bread to flll their somach and were not Christians to start with. So, if they came there just to fill their stomachs, they were unworthy to start with. Seems to me a true Christian should be worthy.

According to you, why should they judge whether there is sin in their life, when it was covered at the cross. That is speaking with a double tongue, seems to me. Either your sins were covered or they were not, which is it??

With your theology, you continue to get tangled up. Is like always telling the truth, then you don't have to lie to cover another one.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

Yes, and in those days there were many who followed just to eat the bread to flll their somach and were not Christians to start with. So, if they came there just to fill their stomachs, they were unworthy to start with. Seems to me a true Christian should be worthy.

According to you, why should they judge whether there is sin in their life, when it was covered at the cross. That is speaking with a double tongue, seems to me. Either your sins were covered or they were not, which is it??

With your theology, you continue to get tangled up. Is like always telling the truth, then you don't have to lie to cover another one.

BBob,

Paul was writing to the Corinthian Church, "to the saints at Corinth," to believers. He calls them brethren, even in this very chapter. He says:

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

1 Corinthians 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

These are his brethren, brothers and sisters in the Lord. Why is it when something doesn't fit your theology you just dismiss it and say that these people were not saved in the first place. Paul calls them "brethren."

 

[Brother Bob]

Paul was writing to the Corinthian Church, "to the saints at Corinth," to believers. He calls them brethren, even in this very chapter. He says:

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

1 Corinthians 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

These are his brethren, brothers and sisters in the Lord. Why is it when something doesn't fit your theology you just dismiss it and say that these people were not saved in the first place. Paul calls them "brethren."

That is so foolish, when Paul calls the Coriths brethren, to interpet to mean they are all true saved Christians. I just ain't so. They had among them fornicators such as not mentioned among the Gentiles, yet Paul called the brethren.

Why do you not take all the scripture, but just "cherry pick" and try to make a theology?

1Cr 5:11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.



BBob,

 

[trustitl]

Also, there is a inward man that is sinnless, and going to heaven at our death. Will not have to be changed, for it already is changed. Will not have to be forgiven of sin, for it already was at the cross and never sin again, for that which is born of God, cannot sin.

This dualistic view of man is not supported by scripture no matter how hard one tries. You think you have an old man when scripture teaches that the old man is dead. You and I are new creatures, not a blend of old and new.

My flesh will have to receive a change though, but for now, it is a crucified man, kept by the inward man and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, that will not let it break the 10 Commandments, which the Bible says is what sin is.

I could ask you if you are a sabbath keeper, but you would probably come up with some rationale for your actions. However, that is not the most important flaw in your thinking. You still have yourself, or part of you perhaps :laugh: , under the law. That is poor theology. You even go on to show this by quoting the following verse.

1Ti 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

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