Can a Dead Body Sin?

[steaver]

I agree that Paul is most likely speaking of brothers here. Lay off the insults, they have no place here.

I did not attempt to insult you brother, I do attempt to show you how your answers are sometimes evasive and have been ever changing to keep your view established in your mind. My attempt is to practice James 5:19. I don't believe you are erring unto death, but nonetheless are erring from the truth.

Now, maybe there is a dispute over where the property line is, who knows. I do not see any of the big 10 broken here.

I am a living example of this very dispute. Just one year ago I was in this situation. I own six acres of land and when I had it surveyed for subdivision the line went accross about thirty feet of my neighbours yard which he had thought was his for the past thirty years.

I spoke with him about this and he said the survey was dead wrong and it needed to be corrected. I called my surveyer and asked if he would meet with my neighbour and I and explain why it was correct. The surveyer agreed and we met on the property.

Armed with the deed map of my neighbours property the surveyer showed him why the line was correct. It was documented right on the deed, the corners and the degrees showed the surveyers work correct and the neighbour only assumed he owned more than he did.

My neighbour still insisted something was wrong. I said, I don't know what to tell you Bill, I am just going by what the facts show on the map. Bill still insisted something wasn't right and that he was not going to just let it go.

The surveyer said, I don't care where you want me to place the line, it is between you guys. I said to Bill, what do you want to do about it? Bill said, I want the line here, pointing to where he always thought it had been. I said to the surveyer, can you do that, just put the line where you please, is there not any laws you must follow that states you cannot? He said, it is between you two so I can put it wherever you agree upon, it will just cause a piece of land that is actually unclaimed and then Bill would have to file papers to claim it and add it to his property.

I said, put the line where Bill wants it to be, end of dispute. I didn't need an unhappy neighbour.

Now this is a legitamate dispute over a property line. Bill sincerely thought it must be one place and I sincerely thought it should be in another place.

But this is NOT what Paul SAID was happening in this text. You are making something up so it will not destroy your view. Paul made it clear that a brother was "defrauding" a brother and a brother was being "defrauded".

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren.......Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, [I did it] not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong,

It is what it is brother! :jesus:

 

[Goldie]

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

I’ve tried my best to run the race,
But darkness was all that I saw,
The world led me a merry chase
And I ran from Dr. Law.

Religion failed to meet my need,
My life was just one black lie.
Sin caused my heart to daily bleed,
Dr. Law said, “You must die.”

The flesh cried for another way.
Dr. Law said, “There is none.”
The world said, “You’ll see a better day.”
Old Dr. Law said, “You’re done,”

To medicine I went ‘til my money I spent,
The psychiatrist even examined my head.
But I would not repent neither relent
And again Dr. Law said, “You’re dead.”

I became weary and walked in despair
Even though I tried to do my part.
The darkness of night was everywhere,
Dr. Law said, “You need a new heart”

I replied, “It’s my feet that lead me astray,
My hands make me do what I do,”
After Dr. Law let me have my say,
He replied, “Without a new heart, you’re through.”
But I trudged on down the rebellious road,
I thought I needed reformation.
Heavier daily became my load,
Again Dr. Law said, “A major operation.”

My heart would not do - I knew this was true,
It was plain I had lost the race.
Dr. Law said, “It’s sin, you’ll never win
Until you go to Dr. Grace.”
So I counted the cost if my soul should be lost,
My soul cried, “What must be done?”
There stood Dr. Grace with a smile on his face
Saying, “It’s not DO - it’s DONE.”

For Christ on the cross suffered our loss
Saying, “Come through Me, I am the Door.”
I cried with loud voice, “I make Thee my choice”
He said, “Go and sin no more.”
So I praise His sweet Name - He took all my blame,
For of sin there’s not left even a trace
Since that day I saw blessed Dr. Law
And he led me to Dr. Grace.

So the war is over - Now I’m walking in clover
Honeydew is all over my soul
He lifted my load I’m on the glory road
Since Dr. Law and Dr. Grace made me whole.
So sinner, please bow — come to Jesus now -
He’ll save you from eternal hell.
He’ll take your case and even your place
Saying, “Now all is well!”

- Lester Roloff (1914 - 1982)

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Steaver: It looks like you two are committing the sin of "pride".

HP: Yet another fine example of a personal attack by you Steaver. Such remarks have no place on a discussion board neither does it help add credence or enlightenment to your views.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Goldie,
Would you happen to remember the simple little song Brother Roloff sang about holding on? I have tried to remember it but I am not certain of the words. It started with, “Hold on a little longer, Hold on a little longer, ……” I seem to remember the tune but not the exact words.

Thanks!

 

[Brother Bob]

I did not attempt to insult you brother, I do attempt to show you how your answers are sometimes evasive and have been ever changing to keep your view established in your mind. My attempt is to practice James 5:19. I don't believe you are erring unto death, but nonetheless are erring from the truth.



I am a living example of this very dispute. Just one year ago I was in this situation. I own six acres of land and when I had it surveyed for subdivision the line went accross about thirty feet of my neighbours yard which he had thought was his for the past thirty years.

I spoke with him about this and he said the survey was dead wrong and it needed to be corrected. I called my surveyer and asked if he would meet with my neighbour and I and explain why it was correct. The surveyer agreed and we met on the property.

Armed with the deed map of my neighbours property the surveyer showed him why the line was correct. It was documented right on the deed, the corners and the degrees showed the surveyers work correct and the neighbour only assumed he owned more than he did.

My neighbour still insisted something was wrong. I said, I don't know what to tell you Bill, I am just going by what the facts show on the map. Bill still insisted something wasn't right and that he was not going to just let it go.

The surveyer said, I don't care where you want me to place the line, it is between you guys. I said to Bill, what do you want to do about it? Bill said, I want the line here, pointing to where he always thought it had been. I said to the surveyer, can you do that, just put the line where you please, is there not any laws you must follow that states you cannot? He said, it is between you two so I can put it wherever you agree upon, it will just cause a piece of land that is actually unclaimed and then Bill would have to file papers to claim it and add it to his property.

I said, put the line where Bill wants it to be, end of dispute. I didn't need an unhappy neighbour.

Now this is a legitamate dispute over a property line. Bill sincerely thought it must be one place and I sincerely thought it should be in another place.

But this is NOT what Paul SAID was happening in this text. You are making something up so it will not destroy your view. Paul made it clear that a brother was "defrauding" a brother and a brother was being "defrauded".

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren.......Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, [I did it] not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong,

It is what it is brother! :jesus:

I am glad you gave this example and that you were Christian enough to not hurt your neighbor. I don't know what State you are in, but in Ky, if you neighbor had maintained that part of the property for over 30 years, there is a law that gives the property to him, if you had never contested the fact that he claimed it for that long.

Still, after all is said and done, where is the 2 big ten that were broken? Who wronged who, being both thought the property was theirs.
I see no sin, whatsoever.

Thanks for the example, that is just about what Paul was speaking of. :thumbsup: Amy and DHK both should read your example, for it sets out the problem just as Paul was speaking about, if you had of taken him to law. Of course if in Ky, the court would of told you, that the property was no longer yours, but according to law, had become his. Then you would be the one who wronged his brother............

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

Please show me where one brother or another "feels" wronged?

Here is the entire context.

1Cr 6:1 DARE any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?
1Cr 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Cr 6:3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
1Cr 6:4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge?
1Cr 6:5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?
1Cr 6:6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!
1Cr 6:7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?
1Cr 6:8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!

This is about real wrongs done to another brother, not perceived wrongs.

They are not to allow themselves to be judged by unrighteous unbelievers, but to be judged by the brethren.


What is your point exactly anyway?



Edit: Sorry DHK. I think we were posting at the same time. I didn't intend to repeat what you just said.

Amy; Please explain how both parties can be the cheater?? That alone shows that Paul was just explaining not to take your brother to court.

You have no way knowing it was real wrongs and how can both party be guilty of defraud, that is what the scripture says, and the wrong was taking your brother to court. period. There has been more court cases over property than a man can count, and most, both parties were wrong where the property line was. It was taking his brother to court, that was the wrong. You all so boldly say, he "stole" it. Where in the world you get that from, that is made up.

Because your translation puts it in words you like, does not make it the original text.

diminishing, fault ἥττημα​

From hettao; a deterioration, i.e. (objectively) failure or (subjectively) loss -- diminishing, fault.

650. apostereo (ap-os-ter-eh'-o)​

defraud, deprive​

It could of been an innocent mistake, he could of deprived him because he really believed it to be his, as Steaver just posted that really happened to him.​

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

I for a fact, claimed a parcel of land of which I truly believed to be mine. I even planted pine trees around it to mark the property line. Another person bought the adjoining land and desputed my claim of the property. We took our deeds and walked the line and I finally saw an old fence lying in the ground that proved him right. I apoligized to him and let him fence it in as his. There was no fraud there, it was an honest mistake, for there were other signs that said the property was mine. I agreed the fence was more correct.
No wrong was done, but if I had of took him to court and he was a brother, then a wrong would of been committed. That is what Paul was teaching.

There is a big difference between what you believe and what I believe. You believe that a "true" brother or sister will cheat and defraud his or her brothers and sisters. I on the other hand believe a "true" brother or sister would suffer loss before cheating their brothers or sisters. Big difference.

I believe brothers and sisters in Christ are "good" people. I believe a "true" brother or sister, will do what Steaver did and suffer the loss. The steps of a "good" man are ordered of the Lord.

I do not believe that cheating and stealing is of the "smallest matters".

1Corth 6:
1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

They certainly were not theives as has been indicated on here, according to Paul.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

I’ve tried my best to run the race,
But darkness was all that I saw,
The world led me a merry chase
And I ran from Dr. Law.

Religion failed to meet my need,
My life was just one black lie.
Sin caused my heart to daily bleed,
Dr. Law said, “You must die.”

The flesh cried for another way.
Dr. Law said, “There is none.”
The world said, “You’ll see a better day.”
Old Dr. Law said, “You’re done,”

To medicine I went ‘til my money I spent,
The psychiatrist even examined my head.
But I would not repent neither relent
And again Dr. Law said, “You’re dead.”

I became weary and walked in despair
Even though I tried to do my part.
The darkness of night was everywhere,
Dr. Law said, “You need a new heart”

I replied, “It’s my feet that lead me astray,
My hands make me do what I do,”
After Dr. Law let me have my say,
He replied, “Without a new heart, you’re through.”
But I trudged on down the rebellious road,
I thought I needed reformation.
Heavier daily became my load,
Again Dr. Law said, “A major operation.”

My heart would not do - I knew this was true,
It was plain I had lost the race.
Dr. Law said, “It’s sin, you’ll never win
Until you go to Dr. Grace.”
So I counted the cost if my soul should be lost,
My soul cried, “What must be done?”
There stood Dr. Grace with a smile on his face
Saying, “It’s not DO - it’s DONE.”

For Christ on the cross suffered our loss
Saying, “Come through Me, I am the Door.”
I cried with loud voice, “I make Thee my choice”
He said, “Go and sin no more.”
So I praise His sweet Name - He took all my blame,
For of sin there’s not left even a trace
Since that day I saw blessed Dr. Law
And he led me to Dr. Grace.

So the war is over - Now I’m walking in clover
Honeydew is all over my soul
He lifted my load I’m on the glory road
Since Dr. Law and Dr. Grace made me whole.
So sinner, please bow — come to Jesus now -
He’ll save you from eternal hell.
He’ll take your case and even your place
Saying, “Now all is well!”

- Lester Roloff (1914 - 1982)

He said, “Go and sin no more.”

The part that most just glide over.

BBob,

 

[steaver]

HP: Yet another fine example of a personal attack by you Steaver. Such remarks have no place on a discussion board neither does it help add credence or enlightenment to your views.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

1Cr 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

Either you are misapplying 1Co 4:3 or Paul is contradicting himself. James tells us to convert a brother from his errors about truth. Judgments must take place or there is nothing to convert. Did you not just make a judgment that I was committing the sin of personal attack? I welcome your thoughts or judgments about my personal conduct. I respectfully disagree that it was a personal attack, even so, I appologize for it. I will refrain in the future, but I am not perfect, so continue to point out sin whenever you judge that I am committing such.

Jam 5:19¶Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

:jesus:

 

[steaver]

BBob: It was taking his brother to court, that was the wrong. You all so boldly say, he "stole" it. Where in the world you get that from, that is made up.

You at least admit a sin was committed by a Christian. Sin is defined exclusively within the parameters of the law. There is no sin apart from the law. These are eternal truths.

Understand that sin is defined as transgressing the law. 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Understand that ALL unrighteousness is sin. 1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

There is a distinction that there is sin unto death and sin not unto death. However , ALL is sin and sin is the transgression of the law.

So what commandment in the law was broken BBob, when the brother sinned by taking another brother to court over this dispute?

God Bless!

 

[Amy.G]

Amy; Please explain how both parties can be the cheater?? That alone shows that Paul was just explaining not to take your brother to court.

When did I say that both parties were cheaters? I said both parties were wrong. One is the defrauder. The other is taking him to court in the unbelieving world, which Paul clearly says is wrong. Therefore, they were both wrong.

You have no way knowing it was real wrongs and how can both party be guilty of defraud, that is what the scripture says, and the wrong was taking your brother to court. period. There has been more court cases over property than a man can count, and most, both parties were wrong where the property line was. It was taking his brother to court, that was the wrong. You all so boldly say, he "stole" it. Where in the world you get that from, that is made up.

I know it was real because Paul says so. He is speaking of an actual problem among the brethren, that of taking one another to court. They were really suing one another. The actual charge is not stated. Paul says they were "defrauding" one another. That could mean cheating or stealing. But ultimately, cheating is the same as stealing, is it not? It is taking something that does not belong to you through deception. That is sin.

Because your translation puts it in words you like, does not make it the original text.

Low blow.

"My translation" puts in words that are accurate.
I gave you the definition of "defraud" according to the KJV dictionary. Here it is again.

King James Dictionary

DEFRAUD, v.t. L. To cheat.

1. To deprive of right, either by obtaining something by deception or artifice, or by taking something wrongfully without the knowledge or consent of the owner; to cheat; to cozen; followed by of before the thing taken; as, to defraud; a man of his right.

It can be found here.

I also went to the Concise King James Bible dictionary by David Cloud, who is a KJVO. Here is the definition of "defraud".

To deprive of right; either by obtaining something by deception or artifice, or by taking something wrongfully without the knowledge or consent of the owner; to cheat.

My NKJV says "cheat". It may be my favorite translation, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is accurate and does follow the Greek texts and also does not conflict with KJV.

diminishing, fault ἥττημα​

From hettao; a deterioration, i.e. (objectively) failure or (subjectively) loss -- diminishing, fault.

650. apostereo (ap-os-ter-eh'-o)​

defraud, deprive​

It could of been an innocent mistake, he could of deprived him because he really believed it to be his, as Steaver just posted that really happened to him.​

BBob,

I am not sure where you got your definition from.

Here is Strong's.

New Testament (Greek)
G650 apostereō ä-po-ste-re'-ō defraud, destitute, keep back by fraud



Paul makes it clear that they were defrauding one another, which is sin. They were taking one another to court, which Paul says was to their shame. Two wrongs.

We know that the defrauding was real because Paul says rather than taking it to court, suffer the wrong done to you.


1Cr 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? (KJV)

In other words, let your brother cheat you rather than take him to court before unbelievers.

 

[DHK]

They certainly were not theives as has been indicated on here, according to Paul.

BBob,

You have a good imagination.
You are willing to excuse a thief when he steals and call it be some other name, or just cover it up and deny that it ever happened.

Do you do the same with adultery, Bob? Is that the way you get around sins like that? When it happens do you just call it another name and then pretend it never happened. That is what you are doing here. The Bible is very specific, but you are just covering it up, saying it never happened. Do you do that with all the "big ones"?

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

What part of this verse do you not understand?

1. You do wrong!
2. You have defrauded! (an act of stealing)
3. You have defrauded your brethren!

What part do you not understand? Call a spade a spade. Sin is sin. It can't be glossed over and called by any other name but sin.

 

[Brother Bob]

When did I say that both parties were cheaters? I said both parties were wrong. One is the defrauder. The other is taking him to court in the unbelieving world, which Paul clearly says is wrong. Therefore, they were both wrong.


I know it was real because Paul says so. He is speaking of an actual problem among the brethren, that of taking one another to court. They were really suing one another. The actual charge is not stated. Paul says they were "defrauding" one another. That could mean cheating or stealing. But ultimately, cheating is the same as stealing, is it not? It is taking something that does not belong to you through deception. That is sin.




Low blow.

"My translation" puts in words that are accurate.
I gave you the definition of "defraud" according to the KJV dictionary. Here it is again.

King James Dictionary

DEFRAUD, v.t. L. To cheat.

1. To deprive of right, either by obtaining something by deception or artifice, or by taking something wrongfully without the knowledge or consent of the owner; to cheat; to cozen; followed by of before the thing taken; as, to defraud; a man of his right.

It can be found here.

I also went to the Concise King James Bible dictionary by David Cloud, who is a KJVO. Here is the definition of "defraud".

To deprive of right; either by obtaining something by deception or artifice, or by taking something wrongfully without the knowledge or consent of the owner; to cheat.

My NKJV says "cheat". It may be my favorite translation, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is accurate and does follow the Greek texts and also does not conflict with KJV.






I am not sure where you got your definition from.

Here is Strong's.

New Testament (Greek)
G650 apostereō ä-po-ste-re'-ō defraud, destitute, keep back by fraud



Paul makes it clear that they were defrauding one another, which is sin. They were taking one another to court, which Paul says was to their shame. Two wrongs.

Paul did no such thing, Paul said to suffer wrong and let your brother do the cheating, instead of you doing the cheating.

Read the rest of the scripture so as to get the entire "context";

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Paul tells them that they are not guilty of such a thing.

Paul was teaching them not to do it, and that is all.


We know that the defrauding was real because Paul says rather than taking it to court, suffer the wrong done to you.


1Cr 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? (KJV)

In other words, let your brother cheat you rather than take him to court before unbelievers.

Amy; which ever action is taken determines who does the defrauding. If it is cheating, how do you change the cheating from you to him?

1Corth 6:
7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Why not let your brother defraud you (cheat), instead you defraud your brother (cheat). How do you do that by just not going to the law? Change the cheating from yourself to your brother. You are reading something into it that is not there.

Strongs:
650
aposterew
apostereo
ap-os-ter-eh'-o
from apo - apo 575 and stereo (to deprive); to despoil:--defraud, destitute, kept back by fraud.

Paul is telling them he "dares" any of them to take his brother to Law, that is the "context".


BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

You at least admit a sin was committed by a Christian. Sin is defined exclusively within the parameters of the law. There is no sin apart from the law. These are eternal truths.

Understand that sin is defined as transgressing the law. 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Understand that ALL unrighteousness is sin. 1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

There is a distinction that there is sin unto death and sin not unto death. However , ALL is sin and sin is the transgression of the law.

So what commandment in the law was broken BBob, when the brother sinned by taking another brother to court over this dispute?

God Bless!

The context is that Paul said "I dare any of you to take his brother to court". Paul was daring them to do it in the first place, much less, that they had done it. Any sin that any of us comes up with is guess work, we none have text for it.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

You have a good imagination.
You are willing to excuse a thief when he steals and call it be some other name, or just cover it up and deny that it ever happened.

Do you do the same with adultery, Bob? Is that the way you get around sins like that? When it happens do you just call it another name and then pretend it never happened. That is what you are doing here. The Bible is very specific, but you are just covering it up, saying it never happened. Do you do that with all the "big ones"?

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

What part of this verse do you not understand?

1. You do wrong!
2. You have defrauded! (an act of stealing)
3. You have defrauded your brethren!

What part do you not understand? Call a spade a spade. Sin is sin. It can't be glossed over and called by any other name but sin.

The part I do understand is Paul saying "I dare any of you to take his brother to court".

Read em and weep!

BBob,

 

[steaver]

The context is that Paul said "I dare any of you to take his brother to court". Paul was daring them to do it in the first place, much less, that they had done it. Any sin that any of us comes up with is guess work, we none have text for it.

BBob,

Are you serious?

You are back to nobody sinned in the first place?

Guess work?

Paul is now "daring them"?

There is no end to your stubbornness. What else can be said? You have shown the list how the doctrine of Christian sinlessness comes to the end of it's noose when challenged.

God Bless! :wavey:

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you serious?

You are back to nobody sinned in the first place?

Guess work?

Paul is now "daring them"?

There is no end to your stubbornness. What else can be said? You have shown the list how the doctrine of Christian sinlessness comes to the end of it's noose when challenged.

God Bless! :wavey:

If your wife had already went out and purchased a new car, of which you did not want her to. Then you would say, "I dare you to buy that new car", even though she had already bought it.

This scripture says exactly that.

Do you take the scripture exactly, or do you add or take away.


1Corth 6:

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Does it matter to you what scripture says, instead of what you want it to say???

Forget what I believe, how do you yourself spin yourself around these scripture??


BBob,

 

[Amy.G]

The context is that Paul said "I dare any of you to take his brother to court". Paul was daring them to do it in the first place, much less, that they had done it. Any sin that any of us comes up with is guess work, we none have text for it.

BBob,

No. He was saying, more or less, "how dare you?" "How could you do such a thing?!" "It is to your shame!"

He wasn't daring them to sue each other. Paul was like a father to them. You wouldn't dare your children to sin would you?

 

[DHK]

The part I do understand is Paul saying "I dare any of you to take his brother to court".

Read em and weep!

BBob,

It is so easy for you to avoid a simple question isn't it?

Which part of this verse don't you understand. This time deal with the verse in question.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

You do wrong.
You defraud.
You defraud your brother--You steal from him.

Which part of this verse do you not understand?

 

[Brother Bob]

No. He was saying, more or less, "how dare you?" "How could you do such a thing?!" "It is to your shame!"

He wasn't daring them to sue each other. Paul was like a father to them. You wouldn't dare your children to sin would you?

That is not what sayeth the scripture.
1Corth 6:

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Then Paul gives an example;

Then Paul says, but you are not that kind of people anyway, you were at one time, but no more.

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

Do you deny that Paul said they were not that kind of people???

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God


That is what scripture says.

But you add to scripture (Amy: No. He was saying, more or less, "how dare you?" "How could you do such a thing?!" "It is to your shame!") What gives you the right to add to the scriptue???

BBob,