Can a Dead Body Sin?

[Brother Bob]

It is so easy for you to avoid a simple question isn't it?

Which part of this verse don't you understand. This time deal with the verse in question.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

You do wrong.
You defraud.
You defraud your brother--You steal from him.

Which part of this verse do you not understand?

I understand it all as an example, but Paul said, you are not the kind of people who do such a thing. What gives you the right to say they are??

I can't find "steal" there, where did you find it??

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Paul says they are not that kind of people, they were at one time but no more. What gives you the right to override Paul and say, they are that kind of people??

BBob,

 

[DHK]

I understand it all as an example, but Paul said, you are not the kind of people who do such a thing. What gives you the right to say they are??

I can't find "steal" there, where did you find it??
BBob,

Origen was a heretic. He was the first one in early church history that began to allegorize Scripture. You are following in his example.
"I understand it all as an example," you say. In other words you don't take this passage of Scripture literally. It is an allegory. It is to be taken figuratively. It was a heretic that started that mode of interpretation, and another Catholic heretic, Augustine, that popularized it. Well, perhaps that is what you have been reading these days, I don't know.

 

[DHK]

I understand it all as an example, but Paul said, you are not the kind of people who do such a thing. What gives you the right to say they are??

I can't find "steal" there, where did you find it??

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

Paul never said that. You have twisted his words to suit your own ideas.
Here is what the ISV says:

(1Co 6:1) When one of you has a complaint against another, does he dare to take it before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
--That is not a dare. It is an exclamation of horror. He was horrified at the sin being committed here. "How dare you!!!!"
How dare you try to change the meaning of this verse into a dare.
Dare you to be so ridiculous in doing so.

There is nothing in this passage to suggest an allegory, an example, or anything to say that one should not take it literally.

The word "defraud" can mean either cheat or steal.

(1Co 6:8) Instead, you yourselves practice doing wrong and cheating others, and brothers at that! (ISV)

Paul says:
You are doing wrong.
You are cheating others.
You are cheating your own brothers.

What is so hard to understand Bob?

 

[Brother Bob]

Paul never said that. You have twisted his words to suit your own ideas.
Here is what the ISV says:

(1Co 6:1) When one of you has a complaint against another, does he dare to take it before the unrighteous and not before the saints?
--That is not a dare. It is an exclamation of horror. He was horrified at the sin being committed here. "How dare you!!!!"
How dare you try to change the meaning of this verse into a dare.
Dare you to be so ridiculous in doing so.

There is nothing in this passage to suggest an allegory, an example, or anything to say that one should not take it literally.

The word "defraud" can mean either cheat or steal.

(1Co 6:8) Instead, you yourselves practice doing wrong and cheating others, and brothers at that! (ISV)

Paul says:
You are doing wrong.
You are cheating others.
You are cheating your own brothers.

What is so hard to understand Bob?

I only quote scripture and you call it heretic;

1Corth 6:

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

You call them thieves and cheats and Apostle Paul says they are all washed.

They were all washed and sanctified and no longer did those kind of things according to Apostle Paul.

The way Apostle Paul switches that either one could be the cheater, tells you that he is giving an example. If it were real, one would be the cheat, the other the innocent party.


BBob,

 

[Amy.G]

I'm not sure of the purpose of this debate, but it bothers me that there is such a misunderstanding about what is going on in this chapter of scripture. So that is why I jumped in here.

There are two types of people in 1 Cor. 6. Paul refers to the outside world and it's courts as the "unrighteous" (6:1). In the same verse, he refers to the righteous as "saints". The saints are the church that he is addressing and saints are always saved people.

He goes on to address his horror and disappointment that the "saints" have been cheating/stealing from one another, and to make matters worse they are taking the disputes before the "unrighteous", or unsaved.

He tells the saints that they will one day judge the world (unrighteous/unsaved), so surely they are qualified to judge between one another in these matters.

He again refers to the unrighteous in verse 9. This is the same unrighteous group of people that he is talking about in verse 1, the unsaved of the world. He is not saying that any of the saints are unrighteous, or will become part of the unsaved world (lose their salvation) if they do those things. It is a clear picture of the saved/unsaved and their characteristics. The saved are never to act like the unsaved. It is a shame! Yet, here they are. The saints acting like the unrighteous, and Paul says that because of that, they (the saints) are an utter failure. He is rebuking them, not saying that it impossible for saints to sin, but rather that they are shameful for doing so.
He reminds the saints that they used to be like the world (those same people that they are taking their disputes to), but they are no longer like them. They have been washed clean, so keep disputes between the brethren (saints/saved/righteous), and if the disputes cannot be settled, let it go and just suffer the wrong that was done. It is the same principle that Jesus taught. If someone asks you to carry their load one mile, carry it two miles.


That is how I see it.

 

[DHK]

I only quote scripture and you call it heretic;

1Corth 6:

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

He not only dares them, Paul goes on to say that they are not that kind of people.

9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

You call them thieves and cheats and Apostle Paul says they are all washed.

They were all washed and sanctified and no longer did those kind of things according to Apostle Paul.

The way Apostle Paul switches that either one could be the cheater, tells you that he is giving an example. If it were real, one would be the cheat, the other the innocent party.


BBob,

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
--End of paragraph; end of topic.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
--New paragraph; new topic.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
--new paragraph; new topic.

At least this is what the KJV translators thought, and in this case I trust their judgement not yours. You are trying to do anything possible to deny the truth presented in verse 8:

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
They had done wrong.
They had defrauded (cheated or stolen).
They had defrauded from their own bretren.

Why is it so hard to accept the truth, and why are you continuing to destroy it, allegorize it, deny it, throw it away, etc.?

 

[Brother Bob]

I'm not sure of the purpose of this debate, but it bothers me that there is such a misunderstanding about what is going on in this chapter of scripture. So that is why I jumped in here.

There are two types of people in 1 Cor. 6. Paul refers to the outside world and it's courts as the "unrighteous" (6:1). In the same verse, he refers to the righteous as "saints". The saints are the church that he is addressing and saints are always saved people.

He goes on to address his horror and disappointment that the "saints" have been cheating/stealing from one another, and to make matters worse they are taking the disputes before the "unrighteous", or unsaved.

He tells the saints that they will one day judge the world (unrighteous/unsaved), so surely they are qualified to judge between one another in these matters.

He again refers to the unrighteous in verse 9. This is the same unrighteous group of people that he is talking about in verse 1, the unsaved of the world. He is not saying that any of the saints are unrighteous, or will become part of the unsaved world (lose their salvation) if they do those things. It is a clear picture of the saved/unsaved and their characteristics. The saved are never to act like the unsaved. It is a shame! Yet, here they are. The saints acting like the unrighteous, and Paul says that because of that, they (the saints) are an utter failure. He is rebuking them, not saying that it impossible for saints to sin, but rather that they are shameful for doing so.
He reminds the saints that they used to be like the world (those same people that they are taking their disputes to), but they are no longer like them. They have been washed clean, so keep disputes between the brethren (saints/saved/righteous), and if the disputes cannot be settled, let it go and just suffer the wrong that was done. It is the same principle that Jesus taught. If someone asks you to carry their load one mile, carry it two miles.


That is how I see it.

How can you take it that way, when Paul goes on in the same chapter and says, but ye are not of them, ye have been washed and sanctified. Does not that scripture mean anything to you that they are not of them who do such things??

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
--End of paragraph; end of topic.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
--New paragraph; new topic.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
--new paragraph; new topic.

At least this is what the KJV translators thought, and in this case I trust their judgement not yours. You are trying to do anything possible to deny the truth presented in verse 8:

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
They had done wrong.
They had defrauded (cheated or stolen).
They had defrauded from their own bretren.

Why is it so hard to accept the truth, and why are you continuing to destroy it, allegorize it, deny it, throw it away, etc.?

You very conviently left out 6:11, but I understand why, for it says this group are not among those who do such things.

11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Also, Paul switches from one cheating to the other cheating, just to show an example. How can both parties be guilty?? Paul puts the question so as it could be either one who is guilty, but that can not be. So, it is an example. Then Paul goes on to say they are not that kind of people who would do such a thing.

You all just glide over those scripture as if its not there.

Paul switching back and forth, tells you that it is not specific.

You tell me which one is the cheater, using scripture from Paul. You show me one, and I will show you where Paul said it could be the other one. Answer that please. :thumbs:

You both skim over the scripture, without looking for the depth of the meaning of the scripture.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

You very conviently left out 6:11, but I understand why, for it says this group are not among those who do such things.

11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I didn't leave it out Bob. You are not reading closely enough.
Look again:
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
--New paragraph; new topic.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
--new paragraph; new topic.

It is quite evident that all the verses between verse 9 and 12 are in a new paragraph and speak of a new topic. I don't have to put every verse of the chapter into the paragraph, just show where the paragraph divisions are. Hopefully you were able to figure out the rest. I guess I was wrong. Verse 11 falls between verse 9 and 12--a new topic. It was not part of the topic of taking one another to court.

Also, Paul switches from one cheating to the other cheating, just to show an example. How can both parties be guilty?? Paul puts the question so as it could be either one who is guilty, but that can not be. So, it is an example. Then Paul goes on to say they are not that kind of people who would do such a thing.

One was guilty of defrauding.
The other was guilty of not suffering wrong.
They both were guilty of bringing shame to the cause of Christ.
We know at least that much for sure.

What we don't know is if the second brother was counter-suing, taking his brother to court as well. That would answer your question about both of them defrauding each other. They were trying to cheat each other out of something. We don't know the specifics and we don't have to. Don't defraud your brother. Don't try and cheat him. Just suffer the wrong. Why are you so defiant about the simple teaching of this verse?

You all just glide over those scripture as if its not there.

I am sorry Bob. I believe their teaching. You deny them. Who has the problem here?
Paul switching back and forth, tells you that it is not specific.

You tell me which one is the cheater

, using scripture from Paul. You show me one, and I will show you where Paul said it could be the other one. Answer that please.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
--Notice the "ye". It is plural and refers to them both. They both were in the wrong.

There is the Scripture. It has never changed. They were cheating each other.
They were not suffering wrong.
They were bringing shame on the Christian Community.

You both skim over the scripture, without looking for the depth of the meaning of the scripture.

BBob,

I believe the Scripture Bob, and don't make excuses for not believing as you have done throughout this thread.

 

[Brother Bob]

I didn't leave it out Bob. You are not reading closely enough.
Look again:
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
--New paragraph; new topic.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
--new paragraph; new topic.

It is quite evident that all the verses between verse 9 and 12 are in a new paragraph and speak of a new topic. I don't have to put every verse of the chapter into the paragraph, just show where the paragraph divisions are. Hopefully you were able to figure out the rest. I guess I was wrong. Verse 11 falls between verse 9 and 12--a new topic. It was not part of the topic of taking one another to court.
One was guilty of defrauding.
The other was guilty of not suffering wrong.
They both were guilty of bringing shame to the cause of Christ.
We know at least that much for sure.

What we don't know is if the second brother was counter-suing, taking his brother to court as well. That would answer your question about both of them defrauding each other. They were trying to cheat each other out of something. We don't know the specifics and we don't have to. Don't defraud your brother. Don't try and cheat him. Just suffer the wrong. Why are you so defiant about the simple teaching of this verse?
I am sorry Bob. I believe their teaching. You deny them. Who has the problem here?
Paul switching back and forth, tells you that it is not specific.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
--Notice the "ye". It is plural and refers to them both. They both were in the wrong.

There is the Scripture. It has never changed. They were cheating each other.
They were not suffering wrong.
They were bringing shame on the Christian Community.

I believe the Scripture Bob, and don't make excuses for not believing as you have done throughout this thread.

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6: But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Come on DHK; there is no new paragraph or new topic. Quit adding in stuff to make your theology work.

Now you not say one is a cheater, but that both are cheaters.
It is an example DHK, an example for our learning not to take our brethren to law.

That is just plain wrong, to say a new topic and a new paragraph, when it is not so.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6: But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

Come on DHK; there is no new paragraph or new topic. Quit adding in stuff to make your theology work.

Now you not say one is a cheater, but that both are cheaters.
It is an example DHK, an example for our learning not to take our brethren to law.

That is just plain wrong, to say a new topic and a new paragraph, when it is not so.

BBob,

First Bob, I trust the KJV translators and their paragraph break more than I trust you, for you have a not-so-hidden agenda. You do not rightly divide the word of truth.

Secondly I showed you plainly from the KJV use of pronouns (and can show you from the Greek if necessary) that in verse 8 a plural pronoun is used indicating that both are guilty of defrauding. Look at the verse for the umpteenth time again, and this time make no excuse for not believing it.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

He did not you the singular "you", but the plural "ye".
He is referring to both persons.
Both did wrong.
Both defrauded.
Both are guilty.
End of story. Believe the Word or deny it.

 

[steaver]

If your wife had already went out and purchased a new car, of which you did not want her to. Then you would say, "I dare you to buy that new car", even though she had already bought it.

This scripture says exactly that.

Do you take the scripture exactly, or do you add or take away.

BBob, Did you add the "I" to the verse in question?

Does it matter to you what scripture says, instead of what you want it to say???

Here is the verse...

1Cr 6:1¶Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

Do you see the ? mark at the end?

When you add an "I" to the verse it then becomes a statement and not a question.

So you deliberately added an "I" to the word of God to change it's entire meaning to fit a deeply held view.

So to answer your question, I might say to my wife "Dare you buy a new car when you know I did not want you to??" See. it is a question, not a statement of "I dare you" to do something you already had done.

BBob...Does it matter to you what scripture says, instead of what you want it to say???

Please repent BBob and humbly admit you misrepresented the verse.

raying:

 

[Brother Bob]

BBob, Did you add the "I" to the verse in question?



Here is the verse...

1Cr 6:1¶Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

Do you see the ? mark at the end?

When you add an "I" to the verse it then becomes a statement and not a question.

So you deliberately added an "I" to the word of God to change it's entire meaning to fit a deeply held view.

So to answer your question, I might say to my wife "Dare you buy a new car when you know I did not want you to??" See. it is a question, not a statement of "I dare you" to do something you already had done.

BBob...Does it matter to you what scripture says, instead of what you want it to say???

Please repent BBob and humbly admit you misrepresented the verse.

raying:

Bless your heart, you are so good. Of course I put the I there in your sentence of the new car, which is not scripture at all, but Paul is doing the talking, so it has to be "I". In your case of the new car, it was most definitely "I", for it was my sentence, not Paul's.

If "I" had anything to repent of I would but with your fault finding attitude, I doubt I have anything to repent of. You have a good day now, you hear. What do you think, should I get down in sack cloth and ashes or what? Why "dare" after the deed has been done? Why not just ask "why"?

¶Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, (was the statement of Paul, which Paul considered to be the wrong).

The question for Paul was "not before the saints"?

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

First Bob, I trust the KJV translators and their paragraph break more than I trust you, for you have a not-so-hidden agenda. You do not rightly divide the word of truth.

Secondly I showed you plainly from the KJV use of pronouns (and can show you from the Greek if necessary) that in verse 8 a plural pronoun is used indicating that both are guilty of defrauding. Look at the verse for the umpteenth time again, and this time make no excuse for not believing it.

1 Corinthians 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

He did not you the singular "you", but the plural "ye".
He is referring to both persons.
Both did wrong.
Both defrauded.
Both are guilty.
End of story. Believe the Word or deny it.

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6: But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

1. Why do you not suffer the defraud, in other words the other did the defrauding, not him.

2. Because you do not suffer the wrong and if you had you would not be the defrauder, but because you did not suffer the wrong, you become the defrauder.

Paul switched the defrauder from the one to the other, therefore exposing it is an example.

But the clincher is that:
Ye have been washed and sanctified, therefore ye do not do these things anyway.

Ask your selves why in the world was this scripture put in the Bible?
It was put there to teach "US" not to take our brother to law and Paul used an example to teach "US", not them to not take our brother to law.

The purpose of the scripture is for "US" to learn. Get it!!

BBob,

 

[DHK]

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6: But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8: Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11: And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

1. Why do you not suffer the defraud, in other words the other did the defrauding, not him.

2. Because you do not suffer the wrong and if you had you would not be the defrauder, but because you did not suffer the wrong, you become the defrauder.

Paul switched the defrauder from the one to the other, therefore exposing it is an example.

But the clincher is that:
Ye have been washed and sanctified, therefore ye do not do these things anyway.

Ask your selves why in the world was this scripture put in the Bible?
It was put there to teach "US" not to take our brother to law and Paul used an example to teach "US", not them to not take our brother to law.

The purpose of the scripture is for "US" to learn. Get it!!

BBob,

Instead of stopping at the context in verse 8 Bob you add to the context by adding verses 9 to 11, which do not belong. Remember that the original Greek had not paragraph breaks. I believe that the KJV translators did a wonderful job of putting them where they belong, but you have disregarded their scholarship and are using the next topic that Paul goes into to advance your own agenda.

To be fair, lets do things your own way, and then continue with verses 12 and 13:

1 Corinthians 6:12-13 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

It appears that Paul is admonishing these believers not to eat meats offered to idols and not to use their bodies for fornication. Bob these believers were using their bodies for fornication. This is what this verse says, and that is why Paul says: "The body is not for fornication."

Here are believers who had not only been guilty of defrauding, cheating, but now of eating meat offered to idols and of fornication! They are believers Bob, believers!

 

[steaver]

The part I do understand is Paul saying "I dare any of you to take his brother to court".

Read em and weep!

BBob,

Did you add the "I" to the word of God and drop the ? mark which changes it from an after the fact rebuke to a preemptive statement?

raying:

 

[Amy.G]

But brother goeth to law with brother

Brothers were taking brothers to court before unbelievers.


We have the saints suing other saints. We have saints who are doing the suing and saints that are doing the defrauding.

What am I missing here?


It's a real problem in a real church being rebuked by a real apostle. I don't see it as an example.

 

[steaver]

Brothers were taking brothers to court before unbelievers.


We have the saints suing other saints. We have saints who are doing the suing and saints that are doing the defrauding.

What am I missing here?


It's a real problem in a real church being rebuked by a real apostle. I don't see it as an example.

The only one missing it is BBob. He cannot except the fact that Christians need discipled into right behavior. Which means they are doing some wrong things called sin.

Maybe Bob could tell us why he is needed as a pastor if all Christians automatically stop sinning at regeneration?

:jesus:

 

[Brother Bob]

Instead of stopping at the context in verse 8 Bob you add to the context by adding verses 9 to 11, which do not belong. Remember that the original Greek had not paragraph breaks. I believe that the KJV translators did a wonderful job of putting them where they belong, but you have disregarded their scholarship and are using the next topic that Paul goes into to advance your own agenda.

To be fair, lets do things your own way, and then continue with verses 12 and 13:

1 Corinthians 6:12-13 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

It appears that Paul is admonishing these believers not to eat meats offered to idols and not to use their bodies for fornication. Bob these believers were using their bodies for fornication. This is what this verse says, and that is why Paul says: "The body is not for fornication."

Here are believers who had not only been guilty of defrauding, cheating, but now of eating meat offered to idols and of fornication! They are believers Bob, believers!

Who do you think Paul is referring to when He says the "unrighteous". You think Paul runs off in the Great Blue Yonder??

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

The only one missing it is BBob. He cannot except the fact that Christians need discipled into right behavior. Which means they are doing some wrong things called sin.

Maybe Bob could tell us why he is needed as a pastor if all Christians automatically stop sinning at regeneration?

:jesus:

One small step for mankind, but one giant leap for Steaver. No where have I said that we do not sin. That is always your fall back, when you run out of scripture.

BBob,