Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again.

[EdSutton]

I don't think I brought Jezebel or this scripture into this thread. I think I just responded to someone else's post. I will have a look see.

HankD; brought Jezebel into this thread. Still looking.

You are correct, My mistake as to Jezebel, and I apologize. I've read and reread these posts in their entirety 'til I'm almost dizzy. I may have misidentified who first mentioned "thorn in the flesh", as well, but I ain't re-readin' 'em all for the sixth time, again. :BangHead: :tonofbricks::laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

 

[charles_creech78]

What is hard about seeing that God said it is impossible to "renew" such a one to repentance. It does not matter if this person has an early death or what, to "renew" such a one unto repentance is impossible, and Jesus said not to even pray for him. Surely you can see that.

Hebr. 6:4
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Mr 3: 28 Verily I say unto you, All SINS shall be FORGIVEN unto the son of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme. But he that blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of enternal damnation: lu 12: 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the HOLY Ghost it shall NOT BE FORGIVEN. This is what blaspheme is. Mr 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. This is the only sin a man cannot be forgiven. I do not believe a man that has tasted the goodness of God will fall away. Brother Bob I might have read what you wrote the wrong way but it looks like to me this is what you wrote that a man can fall away after tasting the goodness of God and that he has no forgiveness for this. Please explain this more to me brother.

 

[Brother Bob]

Mr 3: 28 Verily I say unto you, All SINS shall be FORGIVEN unto the son of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme. But he that blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of enternal damnation: lu 12: 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the HOLY Ghost it shall NOT BE FORGIVEN. This is what blaspheme is. Mr 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. This is the only sin a man cannot be forgiven. I do not believe a man that has tasted the goodness of God will fall away. Brother Bob I might have read what you wrote the wrong way but it looks like to me this is what you wrote that a man can fall away after tasting the goodness of God and that he has no forgiveness for this. Please explain this more to me brother.

No, I said the scripture Hbr 6:4 was put in the Bible teaching us how impossible it is to fall after being a partaker of the Holy Ghost.
The scripture teaches us what would happen if someone did fall but many other scripture teach us that they cannot fall, so I think it is just another scripture on how impossible it is to fall.

BBob,

 

[charles_creech78]

No, I said the scripture Hbr 6:4 was put in the Bible teaching us how impossible it is to fall after being a partaker of the Holy Ghost.
The scripture teaches us what would happen if someone did fall but many other scripture teach us that they cannot fall, so I think it is just another scripture on how impossible it is to fall.

BBob,

Ok I am sorry I took it the wrong way.

 

[JustChristian]

Brother Bob, I don't see anywhere in 1 John where there is no repentance for the "sin unto death".

I realize that this is an area of Scripture where opinions abound.

So, I have presented my take, others have given theirs.

God bless you.

HankD

So you would agree with me in saying that if a saved person committs unrepented sin they are damned? In other words, a Christian will continue to sin by nature but they will repent, thereby bringing them back into fellowship with God.

 

[charles_creech78]

So you would agree with me in saying that if a saved person committs unrepented sin they are damned? In other words, a Christian will continue to sin by nature but they will repent, thereby bringing them back into fellowship with God.[/ There is no sin that a born again Christain can do to seperate him from God. There is only one sin a man cannot get forgiveness for and that is blaspheme and a Born again Christain cannot do this.He that is born of God cannot sin for his seed remaneth in him and me cannot sinn for he is born of God . See how it said He cannot sin. He cannot sin inwardly of the soul. That is why God said that SOUL that sinneth against me shall surely die. But when you are born again you are born of God and God dwelleth in you and you in him . You are not of your self but you are of God.

 

[mmetts]

Does the doctrine of eternal security, and a persons stance on it, give an idea of their faith? I believe so. Do you think that a person, who thinks they can lose their salvation might have less faith than someone who trusts the Lord and trust that He will keep them?

 

[JustChristian]

Does the doctrine of eternal security, and a persons stance on it, give an idea of their faith? I believe so. Do you think that a person, who thinks they can lose their salvation might have less faith than someone who trusts the Lord and trust that He will keep them?

No. I believe that a person who believe that someone who prays "the Sinner's Prayer" and yet doesn't show a change in their lives is saved accepts an "easy believerism" that isn't supported by the New Testament. If they themselves are living this lie then they are in danger of Hell fire.

 

[mmetts]

No. I believe that a person who believe that someone who prays "the Sinner's Prayer" and yet doesn't show a change in their lives is saved accepts an "easy believerism" that isn't supported by the New Testament. If they themselves are living this lie then they are in danger of Hell fire.

Well, same question, but within the context of a good steward... Would you then think the answer eludes to the faith of the person, BaptistBeliever?

 

[Steven2006]

"Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again?"


I lean towards the answer being no, that he coudn't. But one verse that seems to imply he could would be this one.

"And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of life, from the holy city, and from things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:19 (emphasis mine)

 

[JustChristian]

So you would agree with me in saying that if a saved person committs unrepented sin they are damned? In other words, a Christian will continue to sin by nature but they will repent, thereby bringing them back into fellowship with God.[/ There is no sin that a born again Christain can do to seperate him from God. There is only one sin a man cannot get forgiveness for and that is blaspheme and a Born again Christain cannot do this.He that is born of God cannot sin for his seed remaneth in him and me cannot sinn for he is born of God . See how it said He cannot sin. He cannot sin inwardly of the soul. That is why God said that SOUL that sinneth against me shall surely die. But when you are born again you are born of God and God dwelleth in you and you in him . You are not of your self but you are of God.

You say "See how it is said...." Where in the Bible is this passage?

 

[Cutter]

Yes he or she can

 

[charles_creech78]

You say "See how it is said...." Where in the Bible is this passage?

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 john 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is BORN OF GOD. Mr 3:28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO THE SONS OF MEN, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: Mr 3:29 But he that shall Blaspheme agaist the holy Ghost hath NEVER FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Mr 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

 

[EdSutton]

Yes he or she can

Welcome to the BB Casper, 'er I mean Cutter.

Ed

 

[Cutter]

Thanks Bro. Ed.

 

[saturneptune]

To answer the question of the op, ask King David.

 

[JustChristian]

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 john 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is BORN OF GOD. Mr 3:28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO THE SONS OF MEN, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: Mr 3:29 But he that shall Blaspheme agaist the holy Ghost hath NEVER FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Mr 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

I support the need to abide in Him. However, I think that most self-proclaimed Christians don't do that. Abiding in Him is an ongoing process not a one-time event. Many on this board proclaim that salvation is a one time event and that ne evidence of a true born again experience is required.

 

[charles_creech78]

God just don't save just one person. He saves alot . I am tired of this better than others junk. I do not care anymore. I come on hear to get answers and I get nothing but that you can lose God after being born again or you can't lose God after being born again. which one is it? I am not saved but I am looking and tring to find answers about God from Christain. But I cannot get a Good answer. Why should I seek God if he cannot keep me and save my soul to the end. What is the point of being saved. What am I saved from if he can't keep me. I am tired so tired. I guess I 'll go to hell. I deserve it. I have done nothing good in this life. I read the bible and see if any see what I see from it. But I guess I am wrong about it. I thought God can save you to the end being born again. But I was wrong. Not alot of Christains believe that God can save them till the end. On what I get on hear. I have no fight left in me. I know I can't save myself and I know I cannot abide. I do not want to serve a God that cannot save me from myself. So of what I heard on this topic I can't be saved by God. I am done with this. I have been pushed away on everthing I have posted. I have gave scripture of man that is born of God cannot sin. But you tell me you can. But the bible teaches me that if you sin you are of the devil. I will tell all of you the truth I rather know I am going to hell then to thank that I am going to heaven being a sinner and come short. I know that I am a sinner and that if I keep sinning I will end up in the lake of fire. God is clean and holy. God does not dwell in a unclean temple. What make that man unclean? (sin) Ok if I told you I sin what does that make me? A sinner. Where does a sinner go? (To hell) But you say you sin and still are going to heaven. How can that be? What am I going to hell for my sin? So what are you going to heaven for your sin .The bible tells me that he that sinneth is of the devil. But what I cannot understand is that you sin but are of God. I know what I am. I am a sinner. I am going to hell. God is not in me because I am a sinner and unclean. God has let me know what I am by nature.( A SINNER). And what I must be by the grace of God.(born again). God is clean and good I am unclean and unholy and am a sinner. I will not hide what I am. And if he can't save me from my sins then I don't want to be saved. Please prey for me. God bless all of you. I love you brother Bob and brother convicted. You have helped me out alot.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Absolutely! Yes!

in James 1:12-16 "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, BRINGETH FORTH DEATH. Do not err, my beloved brethren."

This passage warns us, if we allow sins reigning over us, we would continue in sins all the way to death(physical - 'when it is finished'), will lead to DEATH - spiritual death which is the second death in the lake of fire. James warns us, do not commit error or do sinning.

Yes, a Christian who continue sinning shall bring forth to death.

In Habrews 10: 26-27 warns: "For IFwe sin wilfully AFTER that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and feiry indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

It tells us, IF we continue sin with our desire, AFTER we hear the gospel, and did repented of sins, THEN, Christ will NOT forgive our current and future committed sins. If we continue in sinning, then we all shall face the great white throne/judgment seat of Christ. We all shall be trembling with fear face before Christ sits on the throne in the Judgment Day. Judgment Day will be terrible day for these people who remain in sinning without repentance, shall be cast away into the lake of fire.

That why, we are commanded to walk in the light, to be enduring for Christ, because, we all shall face the judgment seat of Christ. If we continue in sinning, then we shall not receive eternal life at the end - Matt. 10:22; Matt. 24:13.

Entering into the narrow road toward the door of eternal life of Matt. 7:14 is not easy life.


In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!