It doesn't say Adam, it says creature, referring to after the fall.
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Can a person be a Liar and
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It doesn't say Adam, it says creature, referring to after the fall.
Would the Christian here who has never told a lie since they were saved...
...please step up.
God bless.
I am so very thankful that God goes against my will to change me over and over again, we are so sinful that it blinds us to how truly sinful we really are, if we don't see all of our sins how are we going to give God permission to fix this or that??
You raise a point not often thought about: we go through a growth process in which when first we are saved we do not even recognize certain sins in our lives.
In other words, it is as we are taught of God that we begin to understand the sin that has to be dealt with in our lives.
I would say that we can understand the depth of our sin in comparison with the Holiness of God, and this becomes more clear as we know Him better. We are not meant to remain in a lifestyle of unbroken sin, though, for just as children do not understand that some of the things they do is wrong, and that they must learn what to do and what not to do, even so we struggle to live holy before God as we understand sin in our lives better.
I'm still a work in progress, and sometimes the cut of sin in my life is a far more severe rebuke to myself...because I should know better.
God bless.
Amen Darrell, I'm also still a work in progress.:thumbs:
:laugh:If it's up to your goodness you're cooked and so am I. God will not wink at one single little sin, when we stand before YHWH almighty with a hundred sins that we didn't know about, all we will be able to say is " my only hope is in what your Son did for me" Halleluiah Glory to the lamb! :jesus:
A true believer would not be working in professions where his or her integrity and values are compromised. I left several jobs that required me to be deceptive. Because I could not in good conscience do as requested.
Let's say you answer a job in the paper and find it with the porn industry, working in the office in HR and payroll.
Should you quit or stay?
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Since one can Lie and still be a Christian, can one be unkind and still go to heaven? Or if you are impatient, or cheat on your spouse?
I think counseling and possible church discipline needs done before a final sentence is made, if there is repentance and reconciliation then all parties can be forgiven.
The same principle applies: when one is saved they begin a growth process by which God conforms them to the image of His Son. A preacher once said, "Give God at least as much time to correct your life...that you took to mess it up."
The idea that newborn babes are capable of living perfectly holy lives gives rise to an untenable requirement that could be likened to expecting a baby to drive down to the store, purchase milk, and feed him/herself.
The idea that even a mature believer lives a perfectly holy life while residing in unredeemed flesh is equally untenable. It will not be until we are redeemed from this flesh, and further, until we are glorified, that we will have the ability to be like Christ.
That does not negate our responsibility to live holy before Holy God to the best of our ability, but let's keep it practical, and encourage our brothers and sisters in that endeavor, rather than placing expectations we know we ourselves cannot attain to.
God bless.
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Sanctification, or the process of imparting righteousness in and through OUR OWN BODIES WHILE ON EARTH has nothing whatsoever to do with determining or obtaining entrance into heaven.
Justification is what determines and obtains entrance into heaven and it is entirely about righteousness in and through by Christ IN HIS OWN BODY while on earth.
The reason that sanctification has NOTHING to do with determining or obtaining entrance into heaven is because entrance into heaven demands righteousness that EXCEEDS the best of men (Mt. 5:20) and EQUALS the best of God (Mt. 5:46), while sanctification NEVER is completed in this life nor EVER produces a life which God's standard for heaven can approve.
Will saints then die with incomplete unfinished personal righteousness? Obviously they will. Thus, they will did as "ungodly" in regard to their own persons. However, justification is only for the "ungodly" (Rom. 4:5) since there are no other kind of human beings existing on earth.
However, every other view of justification actually denies that God justifies the "ungodly", as they confuse and include sanctification in regard to ultimate justification, so that God ultimately never justifies the "ungodly" but always ends up justifying only the "godly." If we entered heaven as we now are at death we would be entering as "ungodly", but thank God for instant glorification which removes all corruption of soul and body, because glorification is not conditioned upon going beyond a certain point in progressive sanctification but glorification is based wholly upon the absolute sinlessness of Jesus Christ as the only standard for entrance into heaven or justification - period
However, you view ultimately must determine at what point in PROGRESSIVE sanctification is sufficient for ultimate justification for entrance into heaven. Where do you draw the line IN A LIFE OF IMPERFECTION that determines they are sufficiently sanctified for glorification to occur???
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Fair points righteousdude2 but I would counter that miilitary counterintelligence can be a noble calling to defend one's country and innocents from harm. Just as a Christian surgeon can work within a framework of amputation which is the lesser of 2 evils.
What about a Christian police detective who calls a serial rapist's bluff with 'we've got you on camera' to elicit a confession? Is that deceit totally unacceptable? Which is the lesser of two evils, getting a serial rapist off the streets or insisting on integrity even though it will result in other women ( whom you should love) being raped through lack of evidence?
I believe it was the philosopher Kant who argued truth in all circumstances.
What about those Christians who hid Jews from the Nazis, should they have told the truth at any cost?
Have any of us here yet obtained a state of sinless perfection then?
I take great pride in my honesty. The Lord has blessed in that department however, I found myself in an employer/employee related position a few years ago where if the right question wasn't asked, I didn't provide the information. There are times when telling truth can certainly be detrimental to innocent people.
The answer is so simple. Habitual liar, the answer is no. Since Christians continue to sin, a lie is possible, but it is not habitual nor often. Christ changes lives. End of story.
What about all the pastors that gave a wink and a nod to segregation in the 50s and 60s and did not speak out against it? They had read their Bible and most been to seminary. Were they saved? They were habitual sinners by allowing such a system to flourish. The things I saw during that period were an outrage to the very essence of being a Christian.
there were saved persons who misunderstood the teachings of the Bible regarding race issues, but there are also 'religious" persons of colored and white skins both who are misusing the scriptures in effort to keep promoting attitude of division among us!