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Can Non-Cals Explain the Sovereign Grace Of Almighty God?

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HankD

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Old school Arminius followers wouldn't be in opposition to the list of those written in the Book of Life from "before" the world began.

God looked down (or up) into the time stream continuum, saw who would believe/accept Jesus Christ and wrote their name in the book.

So here we are C and A types STILL debating it :)
 
37818

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SovereignGrace said:
Even if election was 'from' the creation of the world, its an already completed work done by God. Election does not take place in time. Our conversion is what happens in time. God choosing His sheep from the beginning or before the beginning does not change the fact it was settled by God.
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Yes God's election of His elect is before the creation (Ephesians 1:4). But there is a choosing which we experience as you say, at our conversion. ". . .
because God hath from [απ] the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, . . ." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
 
The Archangel

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loDebar said:
no, lack of evidence of manmade doctrine
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This is almost comical, but I’m a Greek tragedy kind of way.

First, and foremost, theology is not “done” by considering what is absent from scripture, but by considering what is present in scripture. That is basic.

If we were to follow your rubric, we could argue that the moon was indeed made of green cheese, simply because the Bible is silent in the topic.

Secondly, the logical fallacy, which you’ve committed—the argument from silence—is one of the most basic fallacies. It is the fallacy most often cited by the weakest thinkers and arguers because anything claimed does not have to be verified and puts the onus on the challenger to make the anti-case, not the presenter to make his case. This is the “guilty until proven innocent” fallacy.

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The Archangel said:
This is almost comical, but I’m a Greek tragedy kind of way.

First, and foremost, theology is not “done” by considering what is absent from scripture, but by considering what is present in scripture. That is basic.

If we were to follow your rubric, we could argue that the moon was indeed made of green cheese, simply because the Bible is silent in the topic.

Secondly, the logical fallacy, which you’ve committed—the argument from silence—is one of the most basic fallacies. It is the fallacy most often cited by the weakest thinkers and arguers because anything claimed does not have to be verified and puts the onus on the challenger to make the anti-case, not the presenter to make his case. This is the “guilty until proven innocent” fallacy.

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Ya, but sometimes it works :Biggrin
 
37818

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HankD said:
Old school Arminius followers wouldn't be in opposition to the list of those written in the Book of Life from "before" the world began.

God looked down (or up) into the time stream continuum, saw who would believe/accept Jesus Christ and wrote their name in the book.

So here we are C and A types STILL debating it :)
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There is a third view that all names are in the book of life from eternity. The reason? The elect who believe have the promise that their names will not be blotted out of the book of life (Ephesians 1:4; 1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:5; Revelation 21:7).

Add to this third view that Jesus as the true vine, that everyone is in this vine unless removed for not remaining in Christ (John 15:6; 1 John 3:6 [Romans 4:15; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:17]).
 
SovereignGrace

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The Archangel said:
This is almost comical, but I’m a Greek tragedy kind of way.

First, and foremost, theology is not “done” by considering what is absent from scripture, but by considering what is present in scripture. That is basic.

If we were to follow your rubric, we could argue that the moon was indeed made of green cheese, simply because the Bible is silent in the topic.

Secondly, the logical fallacy, which you’ve committed—the argument from silence—is one of the most basic fallacies. It is the fallacy most often cited by the weakest thinkers and arguers because anything claimed does not have to be verified and puts the onus on the challenger to make the anti-case, not the presenter to make his case. This is the “guilty until proven innocent” fallacy.

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He’s made a claim and after I have asked him twice, he’s still...


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And no, I am not saying he’s a stooge. This was when they were Duck, Dodge, and Hyde in a short film. That’s what’s he’s doing...duck, dodge & hide...
 
HankD

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37818 said:
There is a third view that all names are in the book of life from eternity. The reason? The elect who believe have the promise that their names will not be blotted out of the book of life (Ephesians 1:4; 1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:5; Revelation 21:7).

Add to this third view that Jesus as the true vine, that everyone is in this vine unless removed for not remaining in Christ (John 15:6; 1 John 3:6 [Romans 4:15; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:17]).
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Yes there are other views, this was presented as the Arminius.
 
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The Archangel said:
This is almost comical, but I’m a Greek tragedy kind of way.

First, and foremost, theology is not “done” by considering what is absent from scripture, but by considering what is present in scripture. That is basic.

If we were to follow your rubric, we could argue that the moon was indeed made of green cheese, simply because the Bible is silent in the topic.

Secondly, the logical fallacy, which you’ve committed—the argument from silence—is one of the most basic fallacies. It is the fallacy most often cited by the weakest thinkers and arguers because anything claimed does not have to be verified and puts the onus on the challenger to make the anti-case, not the presenter to make his case. This is the “guilty until proven innocent” fallacy.

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We added doctrine without back up scripture
 
37818

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loDebar said:
Gen 2:2. Says God finished creating. Did God continue creating souls throughout history?
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So is your view then that God created all souls when He made Adam?

When the Son of God became man was that not a creative act? (John 1:3; John 1:14)

So do you or do you not see miracles being creative acts? (John 1:3; John 2:6-11)
 
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