can One Be Charasmatic And NOT Be In Word of faith?

[Yeshua1]

IF you claim to be a Charasmatic, aren't you by definition involved in cultic word of faith pretty much?

 

[Revmitchell]

NO, I have friends who are charismatic but very conservative and do not buy into the Word of Faith movement, nor do they buy into all the charismtic so called "revivals".

 

[Yeshua1]

NO, I have friends who are charismatic but very conservative and do not buy into the Word of Faith movement, nor do they buy into all the charismtic so called "revivals".

They would probably be "historical pentacostalists", like i once was as in the Assemblies of God, but aren;t MOST of modern charasmatic really teaching from faith/propserity circles pretty much?

 

[evangelist-7]

Yesh,

Sorry that you don't care for all of the many spiritual truths
being taught in your very own Modern Charismatic Movement thread.

But, hey, we understand ...
How does that go again, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of da kitchen!"
And another good one is, "Once a new Baptist, always a new Baptist!"
.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yesh,

Sorry that you don't care for all of the many spiritual truths
being taught in your very own Modern Charismatic Movement thread.

But, hey, we understand ...
How does that go again, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of da kitchen!"
And another good one is, "Once a new Baptist, always a new Baptist!"
.

You need to go see if your mommy needs you.

 

[evangelist-7]

You need to go see if your mommy needs you.

Socrates once said ...
" 'Tis better to be a little childish occasionally, and have a good laugh,
than to be spiritually deficient in spiritual knowledge and understanding."
.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yesh,

Sorry that you don't care for all of the many spiritual truths
being taught in your very own Modern Charismatic Movement thread.

But, hey, we understand ...
How does that go again, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of da kitchen!"
And another good one is, "Once a new Baptist, always a new Baptist!"
.

I understand beyyer than you think! was trained in AoG school, was an elder, did the prophesing in services etc for over 10 years...

Until the Holy spirit showed me in the BIBLE that most of it was for show/emotionalism, andnot what Christianity was meant to be for today!

 

[evangelist-7]

I understand beyyer than you think! was trained in AoG school, was an elder,
did the prophesing in services etc for over 10 years...
Until the Holy spirit showed me in the BIBLE that most of it was for show/emotionalism,
and not what Christianity was meant to be for today!

Please explain what you are talking about.

1) The red please (slow and careful) ... art thou speaking of your particular AOG?
And also, you may recall 6 months ago, we were trying to determine if it was the Lord, or Satan, who caused you to leave.

2) Was the Holy Spirit prophesying through you for 10 years, or aren't you sure?
My wife prophesied in the AOG for 2 years, confirmed valid from the Holy Spirit by the leadership.
Side note:
The NT leadership was ONLY the apostles and prophets ... ALL udders were appointed by them.
.

 

[Revmitchell]

I understand beyyer than you think! was trained in AoG school, was an elder, did the prophesing in services etc for over 10 years...

Until the Holy spirit showed me in the BIBLE that most of it was for show/emotionalism, andnot what Christianity was meant to be for today!

I realize your spelling and grammar are about the same level as this kid. But you are dealing with a 14 year old at best.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

They would probably be "historical pentacostalists", like i once was as in the Assemblies of God, but aren;t MOST of modern charasmatic really teaching from faith/propserity circles pretty much?

No, there are charismatics of many varieties and in many denominations, including the mainline denominations. Also, the John Wimber/Vineyard bunch are quite different from many Charismatics.

The WOF/prosperity bunch are the worst of the worst, in my opinion. And then there's the Brownsville cult which is dangerous, again in my opinion. They are scary. Their antics early on were definitely not of God. Someone will ask, how can you possibly know that? Easy, for anyone with a grain of discernment and common sense. As I have said, hysterical laughter, guttural noises, barking like a dog, writhing on the floor, and frenzied "worship" are not of God. God is a God of decency and order, not mass confusion.

People should be careful with the Charismatic movement, even in personally investigating it. You might end up in a group who are following the likes of Edgar Cayce more than Jesus.

 

[Matt Black]

What Thomas and Rev Mitchell said. There are many types of charismatics; a large proportion at least in the UK inhabit historic 'mainline' denominations such as Anglicanism. I would tend to distinguish though between these sorts of 'soft' charismatics, who would tend to be limited to "bringing a 'word', 'picture' or 'prophecy' from the Lord", the 'moderates' such as historic Pentecostals and 'house churchers' who do all the things the 'soft' ones do plus place great emphasis on 'tongues' and more emphasis on healing, and finally the 'extremists' (Toronto, Brownsville/ Pensecola and WoFers) who do all of the above plus outlandish things such as 'roaring for Jesus' and teach heterodox if not heretical theology.

 

[awaken]

I can't believe how much of a religious spirit is on this board! Why can't people just stick to discussing the Word of God and quit bashing other denominations!

 

[Revmitchell]

Definition:

Religious spirit-what others say that I do not personally like



Purpose:

To shut down any and all criticism of the false charismatic movements and their abhorrent and disgusting display of false worship of the One, True, and Living God.

 

[evangelist-7]

I can't believe how much of a religious spirit is on this board!
Why can't people just stick to discussing the Word of God and quit bashing other denominations!

Yes, I've seen it ever since I've bin postin' on dis board:

The blasphemy of what the Holy Spirit is doing in some places is NOT all done on purpose.

These are all and/ors ...
The uninformed, deceived, jealous have-nots re: the baptism and the power gifts
prefer to make excuses by pointing at the idiots in some of the churches and TV shows,
who are themselves greatly deceived.

... instead of accepting spiritual Truth and seriously going after the baptism and the power gifts.

Also, believers just cannot get it straight that
Satan is "the god/ruler of this world/age"

Here's your own private handy-dandy list for your shirt-pocket or poise ...

What is Satan up to these days in your life?
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9).
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19).
“the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4).
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31).
“him who had the power of death, that is, the devil” (Hebrews 2:14).
“the devil has sinned from the beginning” (1 John 3:8).
“he was a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44).
“there is no truth in him ... he is liar and the father of it” (John 8:44).
“the accuser of our brethren (believers)” (Revelation 12:10).
“the ruler of the demons” (Matthew 12:24).
“the spiritual forces of wickedness” (Ephesians 6:12).
“the world forces of this (spiritual) darkness” (Ephesians 6:12).
“Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his (false) ministers also
transform themselves into ministers of righteousness” (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
“the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works
in the sons of disobedience (and controls them)” (Ephesians 2:2).

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)
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[evangelist-7]

The blasphemy of what the Holy Spirit is doing in some places is NOT all done on purpose.

These are all and/ors ...
The uninformed, deceived, jealous have-nots re: the baptism and the power gifts
prefer to make excuses by pointing at the idiots in some of the churches and TV shows,
who are themselves greatly deceived.

... instead of accepting spiritual Truth and seriously going after the baptism and the power gifts.

A perfect example of one of these persons has just started 5 threads out of frustration ...
in an attempt to redirect people's focus away from this thread.
Buyer beware of people like this!
.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Definition:

Religious spirit-what others say that I do not personally like



Purpose:

To shut down any and all criticism of the false charismatic movements and their abhorrent and disgusting display of false worship of the One, True, and Living God.

Thank you.

I have not seen anyone who has not addressed the OP.

 

[DHK]

IF you claim to be a Charasmatic, aren't you by definition involved in cultic word of faith pretty much?

No. The Charismatic movement is a broad umbrella that encompasses all who speak in tongues. That is the characteristic that ties all of them together.

The Pentecostal movement began in 1905 with the Kansas Prophets, and some others. One might call it "The first Wave."

The Charismatic movement started somewhere in the 70's when the tongue-speaking spread from Pentecostalism encompassing many more religions. It became ecumenical in nature. One might call that "the Second Wave."

The word faith movement is commonly associated with the "Third Wave." It promotes "faith in faith." It is also associated with rolling in the aisles, barking like dogs, hissing like snakes, and other bizarre activity that is supposedly of the Holy Spirit.
Instead of having faith in God, one has faith in their faith to remove mountains etc. It is the faith that fails or isn't strong enough. It is not God's will that is looked to, but the faith. Faith then becomes an actual entity.

 

[Yeshua1]

No. The Charismatic movement is a broad umbrella that encompasses all who speak in tongues. That is the characteristic that ties all of them together.

The Pentecostal movement began in 1905 with the Kansas Prophets, and some others. One might call it "The first Wave."

The Charismatic movement started somewhere in the 70's when the tongue-speaking spread from Pentecostalism encompassing many more religions. It became ecumenical in nature. One might call that "the Second Wave."

The word faith movement is commonly associated with the "Third Wave." It promotes "faith in faith." It is also associated with rolling in the aisles, barking like dogs, hissing like snakes, and other bizarre activity that is supposedly of the Holy Spirit.
Instead of having faith in God, one has faith in their faith to remove mountains etc. It is the faith that fails or isn't strong enough. It is not God's will that is looked to, but the faith. Faith then becomes an actual entity.

Would it be better to see this as classic pentacostals such as AoG/4 Square Gospel as being essentially Arminian christians with misunderstanding/misinterprtations regarding the person of the Holy Spirit in regards to his acts/works, and modern charasmatic, who tendto follow deviate doctrines, and some outright heretical?

 

[DHK]

Would it be better to see this as classic pentacostals such as AoG/4 Square Gospel as being essentially Arminian christians with misunderstanding/misinterprtations regarding the person of the Holy Spirit in regards to his acts/works, and modern charasmatic, who tendto follow deviate doctrines, and some outright heretical?

I think so. I have had some limited fellowship with some Pentecostal pastors and some AOG pastors in the past, both of whom preached the gospel. I believe they were saved, but confused on tongues and a "second blessing."
But the "Oneness Pentecostal," or "Jesus only," are heretical preaching a works salvation. They teach that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved.

 

[Yeshua1]

looking back now, can say with certainity twice the Lord gave me "something" to say to another person, but both were very unusual cimstances, and both times things happened as per the message that was given forth...

other times I can honestly see were just emotionalism, getting carried away, due to the expectations/mentaility of the church culture etc..
I do not say that the Holy spirit can NEVER do something that would be unusual to us, but that those are isolated and rare cases, such as real miracles, healings etc, those are up to sovereign God to do as he deems the time, but almost ALL of the time he works and opertes within the confins of the written word of God to us today!