Yes, nothing should separate us this is why we as believers have to understand what Christ did for us and "Who" in living within us to keep us from falling. The evidence of true repentance is what the power of the Holy Spirit will do if you walk in it.
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Can one live sinless?
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Yes, nothing should separate us this is why we as believers have to understand what Christ did for us and "Who" in living within us to keep us from falling. The evidence of true repentance is what the power of the Holy Spirit will do if you walk in it.
Mr. Davis,
Today if you would slander me or smack me in the face for no apparent reason. I would forgive you in as many time you do this to me. My question to you is why would you do something to someone and heart them if you have the love of Jesus in your heart? The love of Jesus should compel us to have a changed heart to say things and do things that are uplifting to each other.
There are many women in the bible named Mary. Sometimes, they are equated as the same persons. What does this have to do with the question of Holy living? Mary Magdalene was a disciple of Christ. Lazarus, in the story of the rich man and the beggar, was a leper. The other Lazarus, who was raised from the dead, was not. This story of Lazarus the beggar appears in Luke 16:19-31. Why, make fun or try to trick someone? This is not about testing ones knowledge of the Word, is it?
Is this a play on words? Sin will not enter into heaven period. So, all believers will have to live, walk that way before being heaven bound. (Caught up).
I have a question in regards to the OP... We have reports to those that have done this... If a person leads a sequestered life, can that life be sinless?... If it can who determines it?... Brother Glen
Your question is a two fold question. One, has this person repented of his/her sins and accepted Jesus as Lord? Two, what do you mean by sequestered life?
Which means to be "Kept separate and secluded". There are people whom are on jury duty and they are "sequestered" are they living a life that is sinless? I would say if the person is a believer and have repented of their sins and living for Christ then yes. Who determines that sequestered life that is between them and God!
The OP question was: Can one live a sinless life?
The answer is simple - yes!
One can live a sinless life! ...and He has covered any sin that might be charged against me.
Our concern now isn't not to sin but how to walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
Rob
Oh, but “should,” as in might or possibly may, is not used!
There is a key component of thinking that needs adjustment.
The word says “can” meaning nothing, no event, power, authority, substance, condition... is able, capable, powerful enough, ....
There isn’t any “if / then” part to be found. It isn’t a matter of “if you walk in the Spirit,” rather! It is the condition of one who is saved - one in Christ.
All believers, because all believers are in Christ, enjoy the understanding of Romans 8:33 - 39. There is no removal or escape clause.
There is that estate of salvation which is significant to the inner and manifested ways of the believer’s character.
When one is a believer, one has the Holy Spirit.
What happens if one “walks in the Spirit?”
The Scripture say such will not “fulfill the lusts of the flesh.”
Doesn’t say such will not be tempted.
Doesn’t say such will not sin.
The Scriptures say “fulfill” the lusts.
“Fulfill,” means no more room to add, completely, revealed....
One who fulfills “the lusts of the flesh” reveals a lost estate, completely devoid of salvation, full of evil desire,intent and actions.
The Holy Spirit brings such discipline to a believer that, should they find self in sin, they confess and submit to cleansing.
They are like the psalmist who said, I may trip, but I won’t be completely cast down (or aside).
1 Peter 2
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
So if a person does 26MPH in a 25MPH zone - they have disobeyed both the ordinance and the scripture and have sinned.
HankD
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
So if a person does 26MPH in a 25MPH zone - they have disobeyed both the ordinance and the scripture and have sinned.
HankD
"Do you claim sinless perfection?" Yes or no?
I recall, decades ago, Chuch Swindoll accounted how far before the sun broke, he was at a stop light. No body was coming or going, and after waiting for some time, he ran the light.
At Sunday gathering, one of the members walked up and remarked about seeing him run the light.
You keep dodging TC's question... You must feel you are above others on here... We all press toward the mark of the high calling... We are always pressing and will never reach it in this life but you seem to think you can... There is no need is talking with you further as I am not in your league and never have considered it... God be merciful to me a sinner!... Brother Glen
1 john 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Present tense.
Matthew 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Would our heavenly Father do any less for us?
No, we do not have a license to sin but a we do have a pardon from sin's death sentence.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Root - metabaino UBS to cross over.
In this passage - Indicative perfect active tense - cannot be undone.
HankD
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Present tense.
Matthew 18
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Would our heavenly Father do any less for us?
No, we do not have a license to sin but a we do have a pardon from sin's death sentence.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Root - metabaino UBS to cross over.
In this passage - Indicative perfect active tense - cannot be undone.
HankD
We also have that thing called ole sin nature that still wants to take us away from God and His ways!
RIGHT now, as being in Christ, we are already sinless in the eyes of God, but we are still growing more and more into image of Christ here, and even Paul said that he had yet arrived at sinless perfection, correct?
I just happened to have noticed a teaching series recently that teaches that same thing about Mary M, the adulterous woman, and the sister of Laz. For identification , in short.
Yes or No: Is it your view that a Christian has the 'slate wiped clean,' and is given another chance, but if one more sin is committed that condemns him to perdition?
You keep dodging TC's question... You must feel you are above others on here... We all press toward the mark of the high calling... We are always pressing and will never reach it in this life but you seem to think you can... There is no need is talking with you further as I am not in your league and never have considered it... God be merciful to me a sinner!... Brother Glen
There is no greater than thou here. Brother Glen. Why? Do many that call themselves "Christians" forget or misunderstand that "Christlikeness"? Let this mind be in you! If you are pressing toward the mark of the high calling accept what it says as whole. Jesus left us the Comforter, that is the Holy Spirit. Why is this subject so important to us as believers? Without a perfect character, we cannot be resurrected/translated when Jesus Christ returns. A perfect character means - a life without sin, an undefiled life, a blameless life, a holy life, a righteous life in Jesus Christ. Satan is still doing what he did to Eve. The devil is still speaking today in the ears of Gods people saying things contrary: 1) We cannot live a life without sin; 2) We will always sin until the Lord comes again; 3) We have a fallen sinful nature and does not matter what we do, still we will never be able to live a perfect life without sin; 4) We will never be able to live a sinless life; 5) A sinless life is impossible. Once again this is the voice of the evil one echoing again through the serpent to Eve - Genesis 3:4.
No, that is not my view. We all are capable of sinning; however the difference is whose your Lord? If your Lord is Jesus Christ you should not have that desire to sin. Your life is to walk in the Spirit and speak truths to uplift and spread the good news of Christ. Now, if your Lord is Satan then your life is to walk in sin (Miss the mark) that is being unruly, disrespectful, harsh, hateful, not accepting the standard of a moral life (Bible). 2 Cor 5:17 - I am sure you read this scripture. Changed life!
This is why we have to fight this thing daily! As you grow into the image of Christ here we are tempted on every hand. However, we have the Holy Spirit that gives us the power to press through it and be victorious in Christ. There is no temptation that is common to man, but God has made a way of escape! Press on Yeshua1!
Jesus has called us into discipleship to learn how to have the character and integrity of God - holiness. As part of the learning process, we will struggle mightily with holiness and fail frequently. However, as we grow in Christ, we will make significant process in sanctification.
So no, God does not "expect" us to live a sinless life, but God does expect us to be sanctified and to gradually be freed from the habits of sin. We live and grow in grace, not by obsessing about failure. If you sin, figure out why it happened, repent of it, and move on in faith. Living a holy life takes practice.
See previous answer.
I don't know why you switched from "God" to "Jesus Christ" here, but Jesus knows that we are made of dust and from where we have come. He has broken the power of sin in our lives and is showing us a better way. He has no unrealistic expectations about our character. If you sin, figure out why it happened, repent of it, and move on in faith. Living a holy life takes practice.
The reason human beings sin is because of our character and habits. Until our character is completely transformed, we are prone to sin from time to time. In a purely theoretical sense, we are free from the power of sin, so all sin is voluntary. The practical reality is that we are not yet who we should be, so sin is always lurking at the door. If you sin, figure out why it happened, repent of it, and move on in faith. Living a holy life takes practice.
However, a committed and experienced disciple of Christ can go a lot longer without sin that most people expect.
Oh here we go again - the Pharisaical act of tossing us all into the lake of fire. Oh, not by direct accusation but from a holier-than-thou oblique innuendo.
Isaiah 65:5 ... for I am holier than thou. ...
You are one of many we have had come and go here at the BB Neil.
Welcome to the club.
HankD