No personal attack. Just the truth. He keeps posting irrelevant nonsense that has nothing at all to do with the word γενεα.
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Can Preterists Even BEGIN To Make Their Case?
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prophecy70
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What is the definition of generation in that passage?
prophecy70
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I do not believe its irrelevant information.
It was way more relevant, than you calling him ignorant.
His posting of the nonsense from Lewis Carroll has absolutely nothing to do with the meaning of γενεα.
And, yes, he is ignorant. By his own confession he has no expertise or understanding of Greek language, grammar, or syntax. None. He is totally ignorant on the subject.
One of the definitions of γενεα is, "the term of years, making up the period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring."
What it does NOT mean is "all the people living at a certain time."
prophecy70
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So Matthew 24 can not mean, from the birth of parents to the birth of offspring?
prophecy70
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does your repetitive mentioning of this, make you feel better? Make you more right? Give you authority? I don't see the relevance to anything, pointing this out. we never were arguing what Genea can mean, we are arguing how its used in scripture.
prophecy70
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It doesn't?
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 1074 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
geneav from (a presumed derivative of) (1085)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Genea 1:662,114
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ghen-eh-ah' Noun Feminine
Definition
- fathered, birth, nativity
- that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
- the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
- metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
- esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
- the whole multitude of men living at the same time
- an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
Thayer
3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time
Again I will show, but you will not believe.
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Now, I can anticipate your response, but it matters little. Because you cannot believe.
Unless the authorities have changed the rules, definitions are listed by priority with the first being the strongest down to the last being the lest regarded
You have selected the next to last and built a whole perspective on that which is weak at best.
Yeah, it can mean any one of those definitions.
For any interested, here is a link that gives some details concerning the millennial reign.
11.4. Summary of the Millennial Kingdom Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ
I like how each point is supported by Scriptures.
11.4. Summary of the Millennial Kingdom Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ
I like how each point is supported by Scriptures.
No, it doesn't. Unless you are claiming the passage means:
So all the people alive at one time from Abraham to David are fourteen the people alive at one times, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen all the people alive at one times, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen all the people alive at one times. Really? Really?
Not in context. I clearly means "all the people descended from a common ancestor." Just like YOU posted, "2. that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family."
prophecy70
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I apologize, I didn't read it correctly, I was thinking you said Genea could never mean All the people alive at once.
what Im saying it doesn't mean RACE- A TIMELESS PERIOD OF DECEDENTS IN ANY OF THE VERSES.
Now when he says THIS GENERATION In Matthew 24. Its not talking about every Jew from Abraham to 2000 years in the future. It was talking about the people he was talking to, from when "they were born until the offspring was born".
The same definition, in Matthew 1:17
It was the current generation of Jews! From when he spoke until AD 70, when he said happened did.
You think God is punishing Jews until the end of the world?
prophecy70
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How do you get that definition from the context? Because of your doctrine?
Its pretty simple, there is no way to prove what Genea means in Matthew 24, unless the prior events happened or didn't happen. Correct?
From the context. It is obvious it applies to more than just those alive at that time.
prophecy70
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Ok by doctrine, and Its obvious, to me, Jesus came In Judgement in AD 70. Just like it says.
Tacitus
43 Contending hosts were seen meeting in the skies, arms flashed, and suddenly the temple was illumined with fire from the clouds. Of a sudden the doors of the shrine opened and a superhuman voice cried: "The gods are departing": at the same moment the 44 Few interpreted these omens as fearful; the majority firmly believed that their ancient priestly writings contained the prophecy that this was the very time when the East should grow strong and that men starting from Judea should possess the world.45 This mysterious prophecy had in reality pointed to Vespasian and Titus, but the common people, as is the way of human ambition, interpreted these great destinies in their own favour, and could not be turned to the truth even by adversity. We have heard that the total number of the besieged of every age and both sexes was six hundred thousand; there were arms for all who could use them, and the number ready to fight was larger than could have been anticipated from the total population. Both men and women showed the same determination; and if they were to be forced to change their home, they feared life more than death.
"Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).
"For before the setting of the sun chariots and armed troops were seen throughout the whole region in mid-air, wheeling through the clouds and encircling the cities" (Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Ch. 8).
Are you relying on extra biblical sources rather than the Scriptures?
The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Matthew 24:29).
Hasn't happened.
The sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. (Rev 6:12).
Hasn't happened.
Christ will return in power and glory. Every eye will see Him. (Revelation 16:21, 1:7)
Hasn't happened.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.” Isaiah 9:6-7
Hasn't happened.
Hasn't happened.
The sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. (Rev 6:12).
Hasn't happened.
Christ will return in power and glory. Every eye will see Him. (Revelation 16:21, 1:7)
Hasn't happened.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.” Isaiah 9:6-7
Hasn't happened.
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