Can saved people drink alchoholic wine and really be saved?

[Palatka51]

It would really be interesting for you to give a precise definition and example of how a saved person could blaspheme the Holy Spirit by taking one drink, or even drinking too much. In fact, it would be good to know your definition of that sin in general. Can a saved person commit that sin? Does that mean one can lose salvation?

I will be looking forward to your response.

I said that one drink risks the chance that ones morals could be lowered enough to commit terrible sins. I do not believe that a saved person can commit that sin. And again I ask why risk it?
Salvation is sealed for all of eternity. However if a son has sinned he is subject to chastisement. That is for all of us that trust Christ for salvation. God's chastisement of His disobedient child is not something that I want to risk. I will not risk it by taking even just a sip of alcohol.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a sin that a true born again believer could ever commit.
Again I ask why risk it?

 

[reformedbeliever]

Are the mod's trigger fingers really this slow on polls?

 

[ccrobinson]

I said that one drink risks the chance that ones morals could be lowered enough to commit terrible sins. I do not believe that a saved person can commit that sin. And again I ask why risk it?

But if a saved person can't commit blasphemy, what's the risk?

 

[Palatka51]

I wouldn't want to serve a God that was not able to keep me even when I stumble...

Thank God, he has promised to keep me.
Thank God I have, currently, eternal life.

God saved me, I can never, ever, ever, ever be lost again...

Maybe others would have more joy in their lives if they recognized this fact. Instead of living by a bunch of rules and regs, we should live by grace.

That is why Christianity is a relationship not a religion.

May I join you in this celebration? Grace is indeed great. That is why I will not risk a drink. Not even a sip. It is not that I am afraid of a slip up and slide right into hell. I am secure in the salvation of my Lord and Savior. But I will not drink wine even if it is available for me without fear of hell. It is however not expedient for me.
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
This is a very wise verse and I think that it will sum up the point I've been trying to make.

 

[saturneptune]

I said that one drink risks the chance that ones morals could be lowered enough to commit terrible sins. I do not believe that a saved person can commit that sin. And again I ask why risk it?
Salvation is sealed for all of eternity. However if a son has sinned he is subject to chastisement. That is for all of us that trust Christ for salvation. God's chastisement of His disobedient child is not something that I want to risk. I will not risk it by taking even just a sip of alcohol.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a sin that a true born again believer could ever commit.
Again I ask why risk it?

If one asks why risk it, then the person must believe there is a possibility that a saved person is risking something.

I can agree with the point that there is a risk of sin by drinking too much. However, the subject of the op is "Can a person drink and be saved?" So maybe a better way to ask the question is, what is the saved person risking in your senario?

A Christian that has been guided by the Holy Spirit to abstain from alcohol is a miracle from God. It takes faith, and relying on a power other than ours.

The vast majority of the posts in this thread advocating abstaining from alcohol are people who have learned or memorized a rule, and on their own power, abstain. There is no merit to that.

I also want to make it quite clear that if the Holy Spirit has guided other Christians to come to a different conclusion than me about alcohol, it is still a miracle of God and should be honored.

The sin is depending on our will and power.

 

[Brother Bob]

The fact there are so many threads on drinking tells me that many may say it is ok to drink but still want the approval of all the others to do so.

Would you be ashame if your pastor walked up when you were drinking?

Would you have to wait until you sobered up to know the Lord had come back?

Are you able to go to church or to the death bed of a love one, or would you have to wait until the smell of acohol left you?

Are you not really sure it is ok to drink acohol?

Just wondering..........

BBob,

 

[Palatka51]

But if a saved person can't commit blasphemy, what's the risk?

Are you telling me that there is no risk for sin in the life of a believer?
I will not take that risk.

 

[Palatka51]

The fact there are so many threads on drinking tells me that many may say it is ok to drink but still want the approval of all the others to do so.

Would you be ashame if your pastor walked up when you were drinking?

Would you have to wait until you sobered up to know the Lord had come back?

Are you able to go to church or to the death bed of a love one, or would you have to wait until the smell of acohol left you?

Are you not really sure it is ok to drink acohol?

Just wondering..........

BBob,

Thank you Brother Bob.

 

[saturneptune]

The fact there are so many threads on drinking tells me that many may say it is ok to drink but still want the approval of all the others to do so.

Would you be ashame if your pastor walked up when you were drinking?

Would you have to wait until you sobered up to know the Lord had come back?

Are you able to go to church or to the death bed of a love one, or would you have to wait until the smell of acohol left you?

Are you not really sure it is ok to drink acohol?

Just wondering..........

BBob,

Bob, that is an excellent post from the heart.

People, listen up. If you cannot see the difference between this post (which shows a Holy conviction) and the ones that are memorizing rules and using their own will to impress others, then you got problems.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The fact there are so many threads on drinking tells me that many may say it is ok to drink but still want the approval of all the others to do so.

I care about the proper interpretation of scripture regarding alcohol. There have been many issues where I have been at odds with a significant majority of the BB in the past and have not had any problems with that becuase I don't seek the approval of men.

Would you be ashame if your pastor walked up when you were drinking?

Not at all. Most of the pastors that I sat under drank more than I did.

Would you have to wait until you sobered up to know the Lord had come back?

I've never been drunk so no.

Are you able to go to church or to the death bed of a love one, or would you have to wait until the smell of acohol left you?

I'm not sure if I've ever smelled of alcohol but I have drunk alcohol in church, particularly when the communion cup was wine.

Are you not really sure it is ok to drink acohol?

Scripture is pretty clear that is it ok to drink alcohol. Some choose to interpet to those verses differently from their literal and most obvious interpretation and that is their prerogative.

 

[Beth]

Not a sin

My husband and I do not believe an occasional drink of wine is a sin.

 

[Baptist Believer]

The fact there are so many threads on drinking tells me that many may say it is ok to drink but still want the approval of all the others to do so.

While I agree with the sentiment, the reality of the situation is that many of the threads are started by those who prohibitionists, not the temperance advocates.

Would you be ashame if your pastor walked up when you were drinking?

It wouldn’t be a problem. I would offer him the hospitality of a drink.

Would you have to wait until you sobered up to know the Lord had come back?

In the first place, I would be sober not intoxicated. Second, I’m sure the Lord will make His presence known when He comes in glory.

Are you able to go to church or to the death bed of a love one, or would you have to wait until the smell of acohol left you?

First, if you don’t drink to excess, there is no odor. Second, there is no shame in moderate consumption of alcohol.

Are you not really sure it is ok to drink acohol?

I’m sure it is fine for most believers. If you are weak in the flesh in this area (alcoholic tendencies or the desire to be intoxicated) or you are weak in faith you should abstain.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[standingfirminChrist]

First, if you don’t drink to excess, there is no odor.

One drink leaves the odor of alcohol on one's breath... unless that one tries to cover it up with some means such as breath mints.

Second, there is no shame in moderate consumption of alcohol.

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

If you think there is no shame is drinking alcoholic beverages, you are already deceived by that foul drink.

 

[ccrobinson]

Are you telling me that there is no risk for sin in the life of a believer?

I didn't say, or imply, any such thing. You said that drinking just one drink brings the risk of committing blasphemy, and yet you don't believe that a believer can commit blasphemy. Do you see that the logic doesn't follow?

Because a believer cannot commit blasphemy, this "risk of blasphemy" argument is null and void. You may have other arguments to use for your condemnation of alcohol, but this isn't one of them.

 

[saturneptune]

I didn't say, or imply, any such thing. You said that drinking just one drink brings the risk of committing blasphemy, and yet you don't believe that a believer can commit blasphemy. Do you see that the logic doesn't follow?

Because a believer cannot commit blasphemy, this "risk of blasphemy" argument is null and void. You may have other arguments to use for your condemnation of alcohol, but this isn't one of them.

You are correct. There is no substance to that line of thinking.

 

[KJVkid]

Can saved people drink alchoholic wine and really be saved?

Our Salvation isn't determined by whether we drink alcohol or not it is determined by our faith and trust in Christ. However when we disobey the cleay teaching of Scripture we will pay a price. Noah did and David did but somehow we think we can "get away with it". When we stand before the Lord Jesus at the judgement seat our faithful life will be rewarded with crowns. These crowns will be for us to lay at our Savours feet. Our wood, hay and stubble will yield us nothing. I wonder how Spiritual a person is that will still indulge in a questionable activity when there might be a chance that what they are doing isn't pleasing to the Lord? IF the Bible would be silent on the consumption of alcohol don't you people think about your testamony to the lost? I mean even the lost world frowns on a "Christian" drinking alcohol. As for me when I get to Heaven I want to be able to give something to my blessed Lord.

 

[saturneptune]

As for me when I get to Heaven I want to be able to give something to my blessed Lord.

Maybe one should give Him is a life that is lead by the Holy Spirit and not obeying a set of rules you memorized.

 

[KJVkid]

I try and I try to memorize more of the "rules" every day. Thank you

 

[Baptist Believer]

One drink leaves the odor of alcohol on one's breath... unless that one tries to cover it up with some means such as breath mints.

Actually, wine leaves the odor of wine on one's breath. Tacos leave the odor of tacos on one's breath. Welch's grape juice leaves the odor of grape juice on one's breath... SO WHAT?!

A way to fix that is to brush your teeth.

Now I made the assumption that Brother Bob knows something about alcohol... and I assumed he was referring to the alcohol odor one may have when they have been consuming too much alcohol, when the odor of alcohol metabolizes through the skin. That's what I was referring to.

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

That assumes that one has been deceived. Since my bible has more content than just Proverbs 20:1, I understand that there is a way not to be deceived --> Don't get drunk. And that's my stand.

If you think there is no shame is drinking alcoholic beverages, you are already deceived by that foul drink.

Nope. I have the example of Jesus as my guide. Any "rule" that would presume to condemn the behavior of Jesus is automatically invalid. Plus, if you read the rest of what the bible has to say about alcohol beyond your pet verses in Proverbs, you will know how to interpret Proverbs. The Bible does not contradict itself in this matter and you can't seize on your interpretation of simply one or two verses and ignore the rest of verses that don't match your theology.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I mean even the lost world frowns on a "Christian" drinking alcohol.

Where did you get this idea?

The lost world frowns on hypocrites (those that say alcohol is wrong but drink it anyway) and drunkenness (something that we are clearly not supposed to do), but I've never heard a lost person complain about Christians who drink alcohol in moderation when their walk matches their talk.

Now many Christians and religionists get angry at Christians who drink alcohol in moderation, but there are always going to be people who get upset. Christians should not be bound up in legalistic rules based upon the traditions of men. Have you ever noticed that Jesus Himself intentionally did things (especially things like healing on the Sabbath) to upset the religious establishment of His day? They had manmade rules that undermined and shortchanged the people from the transformed kind of life God wants to give us.