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Can the Christian church support nationalsim?

Crabtownboy

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It seems you have trouble identifying what is on topic. That is my response to what you posted. I cannot help it if you do not like the response. This mythical "confusion" is a false liberal argument that has no substance. This country was founded on biblical principles. It was not the secular that you claim. Nor do I hold that government must be secular. For that excludes God in all its endeavors and I will not.

Read the OP and see if it is about being liberal or conservative or if it is about being Christian and the dangers of Nationalism.
In fact, to help .... here is the quote, from the 1934 meeting, from the OP:

We Baptists are convinced that the Church of Jesus Christ can never be a tool for nationalistic endeavours without losing her power and denying her mission to the world; that any sort of dependency on the State, which restricts her freedom to exercise love in the world, represents a real danger for the church and reduces her opportunities to carry the gospel to the ends of the world.

N.J. Nordström, Report from the BWA Commission on ‘Nationalism’, BWA Fifth
World Congress, BWA Archive, Valley Forge, Pa.

You see it is not about being conservative or liberal, but about the danger that Nationalsim presents to the Christian church and its people. After all many fundamentalists say the US government poses a danger to Christians and to Christianity. Do you agree with this widely held belief?


I would appreciate it if everone would stay on topic.

 
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tinytim

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After all many fundamentalists say the US government poses a danger to Christians and to Christianity. Do you agree with this widely held belief?

I believe it is a possible danger...
IF we do not govern with Christian principles.

WE.... For we are the government.
That means that Christians have a responsibility from God to Govern righteously.

If Christians don't do this.. the country will be a danger to us.
If it comes down to the choice between Christ and Country...
I will choose Christ.
Christ or Political party? Christ
Christ or anything else? Christ
 

Crabtownboy

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I believe it is a possible danger...
IF we do not govern with Christian principles.

WE.... For we are the government.
That means that Christians have a responsibility from God to Govern righteously.

If Christians don't do this.. the country will be a danger to us.
If it comes down to the choice between Christ and Country...
I will choose Christ.
Christ or Political party? Christ
Christ or anything else? Christ

Amen Tiny and Amen again.
 

Robert Snow

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I believe it is a possible danger...
IF we do not govern with Christian principles.

WE.... For we are the government.
That means that Christians have a responsibility from God to Govern righteously.

If Christians don't do this.. the country will be a danger to us.
If it comes down to the choice between Christ and Country...
I will choose Christ.
Christ or Political party? Christ
Christ or anything else? Christ

Great post!
 

JustChristian

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I did not imply anything about being an American as a requirement for being a Christian. I am not sure where you got that idea Rev. Indeed that would be pure silliness.

Of course the phrase 'wrap yourself in the flag' is subjective, nothing else was suggested.

My question was this (slightly altered for clarity) - 'Can one be a solid Christian in America, Ireland, Mexico, Poland, or any other country, and not be a nationalist?'

How about a different statement of this question. Can someone NOT SUPPORT the current government and yet still be a Christian? My answer is absolutely. When the current government is doing things which are against my Christian beliefs I am required to be against it.

What I and others are disagreeing with is the statement by Stephen Decatur in 1816:

OUR COUNTRY, RIGHT OR WRONG.

Never, as a Christian.
 

Jim1999

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Personally, I think a Christian should be apolitical unless a government is directly interferring with one's Christian lifestyle. It is then important to standup and be accounted for.

Cheers,

Jim
 

just-want-peace

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Personally, I think a Christian should be apolitical unless a government is directly interferring with one's Christian lifestyle. It is then important to standup and be accounted for.

Cheers,

Jim

Sorry Jim, but I must emphatically disagree with this statement. If you, as a Christian, by design have NO option of input into the government, then I can somewhat agree, but as our gov't is "supposed" to be - OF, BY, & FOR - the people, then to be apolitical is to cede a massive responsibility to the dark side -- A problem which I feel is exactly what has happened in the U S of A in the last 60-80 years.

Had we Christians been more, MUCH MORE, involved in politics, we would never have been compromised to the point of murder being legalized, deviant behavior being touted as normal and OKed by God, promiscuous $ex being taught to pre-teens etc., etc., etc.
 

tinytim

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Personally, I think a Christian should be apolitical unless a government is directly interferring with one's Christian lifestyle. It is then important to standup and be accounted for.

Cheers,

Jim


That is impossible as an American Christian. Since EVERY American Citizen is already part of the Government.
 

Bob Alkire

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I believe it is a possible danger...
IF we do not govern with Christian principles.

WE.... For we are the government.
That means that Christians have a responsibility from God to Govern righteously.

If Christians don't do this.. the country will be a danger to us.
If it comes down to the choice between Christ and Country...
I will choose Christ.
Christ or Political party? Christ
Christ or anything else? Christ

Well put. We all should put Christ first.

Christians and non Christian support nationalism and both groups don't. I support it but don't put it above God and I don't trust the government. I think to many of us try and find our answers from the government and they aren't there. But I'm proud to be an American with all of its faults.

Back in 1928, when the depression first began, a brief editorial appeared in the staid Wall Street Journal, which went something like this:

What America needs today is not Government controls, industrial expansion, or a bumper corn crop; America needs to return to the day when grandpa took the team out of the field in the early afternoon on Wednesday in order to hitch them to the old spring wagon into which grandma put all of the children after she washed their faces shining clean; and they drove off to prayer meeting in the little white church at the crossroads underneath the oak trees, where everyone believed the Bible, trusted Christ, and loved one another.​

We need to get away from every man did that which was right in his own mind, but go by the Word of God.​
 
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OldRegular

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How about a different statement of this question. Can someone NOT SUPPORT the current government and yet still be a Christian? My answer is absolutely. When the current government is doing things which are against my Christian beliefs I am required to be against it.

Can all on this Forum take the above statement to mean that you have had an epiphany and no longer support the O'bama rex administration because of his pro slaughter of the unborn or do you support those policies?
 

JustChristian

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Can all on this Forum take the above statement to mean that you have had an epiphany and no longer support the O'bama rex administration because of his pro slaughter of the unborn or do you support those policies?

This was a general statement. I've said innumerable times that I don't support abortion. How many times do I have to say that? I also did not support the previous administration's invasion of Iraq which has cost tens of thousands of innocent lives.
 

OldRegular

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Originally Post by JustChristian
How about a different statement of this question. Can someone NOT SUPPORT the current government and yet still be a Christian? My answer is absolutely. When the current government is doing things which are against my Christian beliefs I am required to be against it.

Question Posted by OldRegular
Can all on this Forum take the above statement to mean that you have had an epiphany and no longer support the O'bama rex administration because of his pro slaughter of the unborn or do you support those policies?

Non Answer Posted by JustChristian
This was a general statement. I've said innumerable times that I don't support abortion. How many times do I have to say that? I also did not support the previous administration's invasion of Iraq which has cost tens of thousands of innocent lives.

You have preached hatred of President Bush for months but you cannot bring yourself to make any negative statement about O’bama rex. O'bama rex doesn’t walk on water, whether you believe it or not.
 

JustChristian

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You have preached hatred of President Bush for months but you cannot bring yourself to make any negative statement about O’bama rex. O'bama rex doesn’t walk on water, whether you believe it or not.

I don't believe I ever said I hated Bush. I've simply said that he was one of our worst Presidents. That was upheld by a recent Time ranking of Bush tied with Nixon for number 37 out of 42 Presidents. Actually, I think Nixon was a much better President than Bush.

We had 8 years to evaluate Bush. We've had 2 months to evaluate Obama. I know you desperately want him to fail but I haven't had enough time to really evaluate him yet.
 

OldRegular

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We've had 2 months to evaluate Obama.

That is a cop out. You knew before you voted for O'bama rex that he supported the slaughter of unborn children. He promised that he would reverse every restriction on such slaughter he could.

I know you desperately want him to fail but I haven't had enough time to really evaluate him yet.

Yes I want him to fail because he intends to make the United States a socialist banana third world country.
 
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