Can the unsaved to good works?

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Inwardly yes, for that which is born of God cannot sin. It is the flesh that sins.

That is not what I asked you and you know it Joseph. We all loved the ways of the world. I am talking when you were in trouble over your sins did you love the devil at that time right before God saved you?
Let me word it another way. Did you get like the prodical son and began to think about home before you got there, or were you busy with wild women and drinking parties and all the sins of Satan and God just reached in pulled you out and saved you?

I was more along the lines of a self-righteous pharisee who was resting on his own goodness and Baptist upbringing for my salvation. I was in a sorry state indeed.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

I was more along the lines of a self-righteous pharisee who was resting on his own goodness and Baptist upbringing for my salvation. I was in a sorry state indeed.

Joseph Botwinick

hmmm, sounds like you were more acquainted with God than most. It sounds to me that something caused you to even become as one of those Pharasee type and that led to the real thing.

I was a wild young man who lived in the bars of Michigan for years. I never once in all those years saw someone jump up and say "I am saved". They couldn't of keep it silent if it happened and they certainly would not of been ashamed of it, so I take it that some may have come under conviction and left the bar but none ever confessed Jesus before the world in those bars.
There are suppositons and there is the real world.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

hmmm, sounds like you were more acquainted with God than most. It sounds to me that something caused you to even become as one of those Pharasee type and that led to the real thing.

I was a wild young man who lived in the bars of Michigan for years. I never once in all those years saw someone jump up and say "I am saved". They couldn't of keep it silent if it happened and they certainly would not of been ashamed of it, so I take it that some may have come under conviction and left the bar but none ever confessed Jesus before the world in those bars.
There are suppositons and there is the real world.

I promise you that I was just as hopelessly lost as you were before God saved me from my self-righteous, totally depraved mind.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

You sound like were trying to worship God on your own?
At this time did you love the devil or God?
Were you in trouble over being in sin?
Were you in all honesty seeking God?
This is a statement I have heard almost all Christians make, "Lord if it is you will that I die, let it be so, but save my dying soul".
Did you make that commentment to God?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

You sound like were trying to worship God on your own?

No I didn't. I was worshipping my righteousness. I was lost at that time.

At this time did you love the devil or God?

I was a totally depraved slave of the devil. There was no fear of God in my eyes. I was lost.

Were you in trouble over being in sin?

All lost people are.

Were you in all honesty seeking God?

None of the lost seek God until God regenerates them.

This is a statement I have heard almost all Christians make, "Lord if it is you will that I die, let it be so, but save my dying soul".
Did you make that commentment to God?

I did make that commitment to God...but it was not because there was any good in me. It was all because of God's regenerating power which convicted me of sin and brought me to him. I had no righteousness. I was totally wicked in the eyes of God. But, praise the Lord, he saved me from my Sinful free will and gave me new life in Christ.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

I did make that commitment to God...but it was not because there was any good in me. It was all because of God's regenerating power which convicted me of sin and brought me to him. I had no righteousness. I was totally wicked in the eyes of God. But, praise the Lord, he saved me from me Sinful free will and gave me new life in Christ.

Joseph Botwinick

That is a good committment to make to God Joseph. I made the same committment but I didn't feel saved at the time I made it. I am glad to hear you made it for that is from the heart and another Christian knows that is real. God Bless and I won't bother you any futher about it.