Can we discuss Kenosis?

[DHK]

Kenosis is a word used by Paul, it means to empty in any greek dictionary around the world. All the false talking of Barnes have me care less. It is all human thinking with not base on the Bible.

Barnes quoted the Greek, explained the Greek, used the Greek, and you simply dismiss it?? We should dismiss you I think!
His scholarly work is far more valuable than your unfounded opinions.

 

[jbh28]

Thanks for your participayion. It is quite boring keep saying that Jesus is God etc. etc. You are adding new things to be analiced. Thank.

When I say that Jesus have not divine atributes I refer to God the Son who emptied of all divine atributes and entered the world as Jesus.

Then you deny the deity of Christ. Go ahead and cry to the mods about it. I will be proud to have my post reported.

Let's look at it this way. I have a Taco Bell cup on the table. Is that Taco Bell cup a person? No it is not. How do I know this? Because it doesn't have the attributes of a person. Is Jesus God? Yes. Why do I know this? Because Jesus has the attributes of God. What makes something to be something is its attributes. So to say that Jesus is God but doesn't have divine attributes it a contradiction. So if you are going to say that Jesus didn't have divine attributes, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't believe that Jesus is God. At least admit that you believe that Jesus ceased being God when he came to earth and took on human flesh.

Jesus Christ was fully God(possessed ALL of the divine attributes) and fully man. It could also be said that Jesus had 2 natures. A divine nature(which he had) and then he "took on flesh" meaning that he took on a human nature. So Jesus is not 50% man and 50% God, but 100% man and 100% God because Jesus had 100% divine characteristics(nature) and 100% human characteristics (nature).

Philippians 2:6-7
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!"

Jesus(the "Who") was "in very nature God"
Jesus took on the "nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
So Jesus has the nature God and the nature human. Jesus humbled himself to add(not change) on a human nature.

Jesus did not have any of the divine atributes. Can you found any one on Jesus? No. Then, your statement is wrong.

Philipians is teaching that God the Son did emptied of what?

I quoted Scripture. Read the passage.

 

[DHK]

Barnes quoted the Greek, explained the Greek, used the Greek, and you simply dismiss it?? We should dismiss you I think!
His scholarly work is far more valuable than your unfounded opinions.

Here is his first paragraph that I omitted because of space:

But made himself of no reputation - This translation by no means conveys the sense of the original According to this it would seem that he consented to be without distinction or honor among people; or that he was willing to be despised or disregarded. The Greek is [FONT=&quot]ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]̔[/FONT][FONT=&quot]αυτον[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]̓[/FONT][FONT=&quot]κένωσεν[/FONT] heauton ekeno[FONT=&quot]̄[/FONT]sen. The word [FONT=&quot]κενόω[/FONT] kenoo[FONT=&quot]̄[/FONT] means literally, to empty, “to make empty, to make vain or void.” It is rendered: “made void” in Rom_4:14; “made of none effect,” 1Co_1:17; “make void,” 1Co_9:15; “should be vain,” 2Co_9:3. The word does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament, except in the passage before us. The essential idea is that of bringing to emptiness, vanity, or nothingness; and, hence, it is applied to a case where one lays aside his rank and dignity, and becomes in respect to that as nothing; that is, he assumes a more humble rank and station. In regard to its meaning here, we may remark:

Note the usage of the Greek.

 

[Amy.G]

If God does not have divine attributes then God is a man like you and I.
The fact that God does have divine attributes makes him God.....................
Thus Christ is God. Christ has divine attributes. It can be no other way.

Absolutely.

Also, Jesus Himself said He was God, which is why the Pharisees wanted to stone Him for blasphemy.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


So what did Jesus "empty"? He surely did not empty Himself of divinity or He would cease to be God. And He clearly said that He IS God.

 

[Goinheix]

Barnes quoted the Greek, explained the Greek, used the Greek, and you simply dismiss it?? We should dismiss you I think!
His scholarly work is far more valuable than your unfounded opinions.

nothing of the above is correct. Barnes do not quote kenisis,
you dont have to believe me check a dictionary yourself

http://interlinear.biblos.com/philippians/2.htm

 

[Goinheix]

Then you deny the deity of Christ. Go ahead and cry to the mods about it. I will be proud to have my post reported.

Let's look at it this way. I have a Taco Bell cup on the table. Is that Taco Bell cup a person? No it is not. How do I know this? Because it doesn't have the attributes of a person. Is Jesus God? Yes. Why do I know this? Because Jesus has the attributes of God. What makes something to be something is its attributes. So to say that Jesus is God but doesn't have divine attributes it a contradiction. So if you are going to say that Jesus didn't have divine attributes, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't believe that Jesus is God. At least admit that you believe that Jesus ceased being God when he came to earth and took on human flesh.


I quoted Scripture. Read the passage.

human talking

 

[jbh28]

human talking

Care to expound on that?

 

[DHK]

nothing of the above is correct. Barnes do not quote kenisis,
you dont have to believe me check a dictionary yourself

http://interlinear.biblos.com/philippians/2.htm

You don't know how to read Greek do you?

The Greek is [FONT=&quot]ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]̔[/FONT][FONT=&quot]αυτον[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]ε[/FONT][FONT=&quot]̓[/FONT][FONT=&quot]κένωσεν[/FONT] heauton ekeno[FONT=&quot]̄[/FONT]sen. The word [FONT=&quot]κενόω[/FONT] kenoo[FONT=&quot]̄[/FONT] means literally, to empty, “to make empty, to make vain or void.”

 

[Goinheix]

Here is his first paragraph that I omitted because of space:

Note the usage of the Greek.

But made himself of no reputation - This translation by no means conveys the sense of the original According to this it would seem that he consented to be without distinction or honor among people; or that he was willing to be despised or disregarded. The Greek is ἑαυτον ἐκένωσεν heauton ekenōsen. The word κενόω kenoō means literally, to empty, “to make empty, to make vain or void.” It is rendered: “made void” in Rom_4:14; “made of none effect,” 1Co_1:17; “make void,” 1Co_9:15; “should be vain,” 2Co_9:3. The word does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament, except in the passage before us. The essential idea is that of bringing to emptiness, vanity, or nothingness; and, hence, it is applied to a case where one lays aside his rank and dignity, and becomes in respect to that as nothing; that is, he assumes a more humble rank and station. In regard to its meaning here, we may remark:

Kenosis also ocurres in Philipians 2. It means tha God the Son did make himself empty; make himself void or vain; make of no effect. That is the meaning of kenosis in Philipians.

 

[webdog]

human talking

I would hope so...I'd freak if someone's cat typed that

 

[Goinheix]

Absolutely.

Also, Jesus Himself said He was God, which is why the Pharisees wanted to stone Him for blasphemy.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


So what did Jesus "empty"? He surely did not empty Himself of divinity or He would cease to be God. And He clearly said that He IS God.

He emptied of the divine atributes. what else could be?

 

[Goinheix]

You don't know how to read Greek do you?

Yes. Jesus did empty himself. Empty of what????

 

[jbh28]

Then you deny the deity of Christ. Go ahead and cry to the mods about it. I will be proud to have my post reported.

Let's look at it this way. I have a Taco Bell cup on the table. Is that Taco Bell cup a person? No it is not. How do I know this? Because it doesn't have the attributes of a person. Is Jesus God? Yes. Why do I know this? Because Jesus has the attributes of God. What makes something to be something is its attributes. So to say that Jesus is God but doesn't have divine attributes it a contradiction. So if you are going to say that Jesus didn't have divine attributes, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't believe that Jesus is God. At least admit that you believe that Jesus ceased being God when he came to earth and took on human flesh.


I quoted Scripture. Read the passage.

human talking

Care to expound on that?

Anything to say? you didn't have much of a response. Or are you going to admit you don't believe in the deity of Christ. Or admit you are wrong and Jesus is fully God(which means he has divine attributes).

 

[jbh28]

I would hope so...I'd freak if someone's cat typed that

This is my cat Tiger btw...

 

[DHK]

Kenosis also ocurres in Philipians 2. It means tha God the Son did make himself empty; make himself void or vain; make of no effect. That is the meaning of kenosis in Philipians.

Now go back and read the rest of the post, the longer one which I first posted. It should make better sense to you now.

 

[DHK]

Yes. Jesus did empty himself. Empty of what????

empty, void.
He was void of his home in heaven, of his previous "form", spirit, and of many comparable things that we will never be able to comprehend. He was still totally man and totally God. To be God one must have divine attributes. He did not empty himself of His Godhood or divine attributes. In fact in a great demonstration of those miracles many believed on him. They knew that he was the Messiah.

 

[HankD]

I skipped to the end after reading 3 or 4 notes.

So, my apologies if this has already been offered.

He emptied Himself of self and His own will, He took His commands directly from the Father.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.​

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.​

Secondly, He emptied Himself of His deific glory.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.​

HankD

 

[Goinheix]

Anything to say? you didn't have much of a response. Or are you going to admit you don't believe in the deity of Christ. Or admit you are wrong and Jesus is fully God(which means he has divine attributes).

1 To be God doesnt mean to have divine atributes
2 In the Gospels it is clear - and have been proved - Jesus dont have any divine atribute.

 

[Goinheix]

Now go back and read the rest of the post, the longer one which I first posted. It should make better sense to you now.

you make me post the same again and ahain and keep on posting one and two and three times that Jesus is God. You make me post it so many times and continue to make me post it again and again.

Do post again your post.

 

[Goinheix]

empty, void.
He was void of his home in heaven, of his previous "form", spirit, and of many comparable things that we will never be able to comprehend. He was still totally man and totally God. To be God one must have divine attributes. He did not empty himself of His Godhood or divine attributes. In fact in a great demonstration of those miracles many believed on him. They knew that he was the Messiah.

No. He did empty of his divine atributes. In fact, in the Gospels we dont see any one of all divine atributes. This is getting anoying. You say this, I say that, and you insist on this and I replay that, the you insist on this and i insist on that.

In the Gospels there is not one single divine atribute in Jesus. That is a fcat that can not be denyed and will not be refuted.