I am a one point Calvinist and a 2 point Arminians (Christ died as a ransom for all mankind, and God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth.)
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I am a one point Calvinist and a 2 point Arminians (Christ died as a ransom for all mankind, and God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth.)
I’m sorry to inform you however there is no such thing as a 2.5 Calvinist. You see, the Doctrines of Grace ( all 5 of them ) all stand or fall together and together they point to one central truth... that salvation is all of grace because it is all of God. And because it is all of God. It is all for his glory.
Yep. The common failing of self-centered man is that salvation is all about him and not all about God.
Wrong view:
I got saved.
I am indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
I am going to heaven.
Right view:
God saved me.
God the Holy Spirit indwells me.
God will take me to Heaven.
All of Him. None of me.
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I was joking when I said that. But as a matter of fact there are many 4 point Calvinists. They do not believe in Limited Atonement. I'm sure you are aware of that.
Christ said, "your faith has healed you" not the faith I instilled healed you. God credits our faith as righteousness, or not, see Romans 4:4-5, and Romans 4:23-24. Thus we are saved through faith (our faith in Christ when credited by God as righteousness)
Firstly, Calvinism does not teach that men do not exercise faith.
Secondly, if I gave you a gift, say $1,000,000 (I'm rich and generous, in case you weren't aware
) once I hand you the cash, is it your money or mine? Are you responsible for its use or am I? Third, why do you have and exercise faith but your neighbor does not? What is it about you that is different than him?
Yes. when sinful mankind looks at the world, he sees it with himself as the center of that world. This does not instantly change when he becomes a Christian, as many of us know and can attest to.
Man seeing himself as the main actor in the drama of redemption is evidence of the damage done by the Fall. The apostle Paul said, "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." (Romans 12:2)
I would argue that this renewal happens through careful study, good teaching, and the one anothering of life in the local church. Through these means, we learn to see things from the proper perspective.
How can we talk when you offer obfuscation, no one claimed Calvinism teaches people do not exercise faith.Firstly, Calvinism does not teach that men do not exercise faith.
Secondly, if I gave you a gift, say $1,000,000 (I'm rich and generous, in case you weren't aware
Third, why do you have and exercise faith but your neighbor does not? What is it about you that is different than him?
How can we talk when gifts are not bribes with strings attached. More obfuscation
How can we talk when you deny God credits our faith in Christ as righteousness, not faith He instilled?
All these Calvinist chestnuts have been asked and answered many times before, whereas Calvinists do not respond to the scripture teaching fallen men can understand spiritual milk, can seek God, and can have their faith credited as righteousness. Total Spiritual Inability has been shown to be bogus based on Matthew 23:13, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3, and Romans 4:4-5, 4:23-24.
William Craig lane is very smart, but he had adopted the philosophy of this world, as he really denies that God is sovereign!
Did you just post yet another taint so post? And did your co-hort just affirm he is a mind reader.
Folks, note the pattern, the lack of discussion is my fault, I did not make an argument, and I do not want to discuss different understandings of scripture. Meanwhile I provided a definition of total spiritual inability, and explained my view that the bible teaches the fallen suffer from Limited Spiritual Ability, able to understand spiritual milk, but not spiritual meat.
Except that Paul never stated to us that the lost/unsaved can understand the spiritual meaning of any of the scriptures!Did you just post yet another taint so post? And did your co-hort just affirm he is a mind reader.
Folks, note the pattern, the lack of discussion is my fault, I did not make an argument, and I do not want to discuss different understandings of scripture. Meanwhile I provided a definition of total spiritual inability, and explained my view that the bible teaches the fallen suffer from Limited Spiritual Ability, able to understand spiritual milk, but not spiritual meat.
Yet another bunny trail. Paul taught that men of flesh could understand spiritual milk, 1 Corinthians 2:14-3:3
I provided a recipe for 5 Alarm Chili that completely disproves all your theology.
(Kind of a stupid statement, isn't it? Almost as bad as your describing something not found in TULIP and claiming victory on the basis of your chili recipe.)
I quoted a respected Reformed definition, one of their ploys is to disavow the obvious. Here is the Total Inability definition again
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But the "respected Reformed definition" is not what we are talking about. We are talking about Total Depravity (NOT the bogus "total inability").
Total Depravity has already been explained to you insofar as the term is used here. Why reject the truth in favor of a mischaracterization?
Van, you seem confused concerning what Paul meant by "carnal." He is talking to Christians, saved people, who walk after the flesh rather than after the Spirit. You have based your entire soteriology on a mistaken understanding of how Paul uses a single word.
Paul makes it very clear what he means by "carnal."
1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
The "carnal" are "in Christ." Paul uses a completely different word, with a completely different meaning, in 1 Corinthians 2:14.
σαρκικοις in 3:1 and ψυχικος 2:14.
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