Can you know if you are "elect".

[AVL1984]

John Owen didn't think it was a waste of time. Neither did Jonathan Edwards. Neither did John R. Rice for that matter. The low level of debate is a problem on BB but I don't know how to fix that. Did you have anything to contribute or did you just want to waste your time to get on here and say that everyone is wasting their time?

Typical response from one who can't handle disagreement from others. You're not the moderator here, nor are you the owner. The alleged "low level of debate" has gone on and on in differing threads over the years. No wonder the BB is losing participants. I don't care what those other men thought. I know they didn't spend extended periods of time, wasting them on fruitless debate. Very little of their time was spent on this subject. Good for them!

 

[DaveXR650]

Typical response from one who can't handle disagreement from others. You're not the moderator here, nor are you the owner. The alleged "low level of debate" has gone on and on in differing threads over the years. No wonder the BB is losing participants. I don't care what those other men thought. I know they didn't spend extended periods of time, wasting them on fruitless debate. Very little of their time was spent on this subject. Good for them!

At least it looks like you follow me. Thanks. I'm not the moderator nor the owner but this is my thread. You came on here and contributed nothing - just basically said it was all stupid. You don't have anything to say. After a post like this the moderator will come on and close the thread. They should at least give you a warning [snip]

 

[Silverhair]

LOL
Understand that no one has supported your illogic as you keep bringing up this silly question of yours as if it has any validity.
The foolishness of your question has been answered many times and you cannot conceive that the answer is...No. Somehow you imagine that God can go against His own nature and if He doesn't go against His nature that somehow would make God less than Sovereign. I cannot make up how literally retarded your thought process is on this issue. Clearly you are desperate to hold on to your humanist theology. I leave you to your bizzare theology.

God is sovereign as we both agree but one of us does not allow God to really be sovereign. You for some reason think that if God does not determine all things then than makes Him less than sovereign which is a foolish idea on your part for two reasons. 1] A sovereign God can allow man to have an undetermined free will that operates within His overall sovereignty and that without lessening His sovereignty. 2] If God has to determine all things such as your version of His sovereignty requires then you have just made God responsible for all the evil and sin as man can not do anything freely.

Your logic is flawed.

 

[Silverhair]

Van:
"The choice to believe in the name of Christ is our human choice, but that choice does not save anyone. Only those whose faith is credited as righteous faith, by the will of God, are saved."

Why all the verbiage? Sounds like you're saying just because a human chooses Christ doesn't mean God is going to save them. Is that right? Maybe you could untangle or use fewer words to articulate it.

And it's just as I said:



All the verbiage is unnecessary Van. Just own your free will soteriology. It's not like it's a big secret.

So you don't think man can freely trust in Christ Jesus for their salvation. Do you think that the bible is wrong when were told to believe the gospel and confess Christ Jesus as our Lord?

 

[AustinC]

God is sovereign as we both agree but one of us does not allow God to really be sovereign. You for some reason think that if God does not determine all things then than makes Him less than sovereign which is a foolish idea on your part for two reasons. 1] A sovereign God can allow man to have an undetermined free will that operates within His overall sovereignty and that without lessening His sovereignty. 2] If God has to determine all things such as your version of His sovereignty requires then you have just made God responsible for all the evil and sin as man can not do anything freely.

Your logic is flawed.

Well...if only God didn't tell us that he has predestined salvation...you might have a point. But since the Bible is chalk full of God's choosing, predestination, electing and adopting from before the foundation of the world, you just have to live with God's determinative will ruling over your puny will.

*Jeremiah 1:5*
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

 

[AVL1984]

At least it looks like you follow me. Thanks. I'm not the moderator nor the owner but this is my thread. You came on here and contributed nothing - just basically said it was all stupid. You don't have anything to say. After a post like this the moderator will come on and close the thread. They should at least give you a warning not to be such an ass.

I contributed an opinion of the whole conversation/debate. I don't recall stating it was "stupid," so you're prevaricating. If you have to resort to calling someone a curse word, then maybe you shouldn't be on a Christian board. Just goes to show what a majority of the Calvinists I know act like and talk like. Thanks for once again proving the arrogance of most Calvinists. Guess it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're "elect." Sad...really sad. And, by the way, I don't "follow" you. Would never be that ignorant.

 

[DaveXR650]

and you people are letting Satan have his will and way by continuing this divisive junk...Go figure. Finding a lot of platforms are wasting time allowing this kind of garbage.

Divisive junk, wasting time, garbage, Satanic. But you are right, you didn't say "stupid". By the way, I meant "ass" like a donkey as in the KJV. I wouldn't think in the age of Trump that would be much of a curse word anyway. And you must not follow me. If you did you would know I am a moderate Calvinist who is doubted by many on this site as being a Calvinist and who has been attacked most on this site by Calvinists. And no, contributing to the conversation does not include coming on out of nowhere and trashing the whole thread. You are not required to say anything. What you show is a preconceived animosity towards Calvinism that makes discussion difficult.

 

[Salty]

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