Silverhair
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Thank God He does deal with us just as the bible says. Now if you would just learn to read the bible and trust it rather than your calvinist commentaries you might make some progress.toward the truth.
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Can you know if you are "elect".
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Thank God He does deal with us just as the bible says. Now if you would just learn to read the bible and trust it rather than your calvinist commentaries you might make some progress.toward the truth.
Silverhair
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Austin you are really inconsistent. You claim God is truly and fully sovereign and yet do deny Him that. You want to put limits on your truly and fully sovereign God. How does that leave Him as truly and fully sovereign?
Silverhair
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Not a beef with calvinist but with calvinism, it calls into question the character of God.
So, FOLKS, Vanology rejects the truth of 1 John 5:13. No assurance to be had within Vanology.
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Silverhair
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Then there must be a lot of us around. Just one example here KY, God desires all to be saved, that's biblical. Your theology tells us that He only wants a limited number to be saved, those that are drawn by His "Irresistible Grace". Now if your theology was consistent with what the bible said then all would be saved because of your "Irresistible Grace". But we know not all are saved so either God is being disingenuous or your theology is wrong. Since you say your theology is not wrong you are saying that God is disingenuous. Thus you call into question the character of God.
Silverhair
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KY you claim to believe what 1 John 5:13 says but then if you are a consistent calvinist you have to reject what the bible says. You have already stated that you think biblical free will is wrong.
DaveXR650
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When I started this thread I was thinking about a line in a book I have called "Still Sovereign". They said that regarding assurance, we used to worry about whether we were saved but now that we're Calvinists we worry about whether we're elect. I know the Puritans worried about assurance of salvation and I have noticed that everyone bases assurance on something that they do. Whether it's actively making your calling and election sure, or 1 John confession of sin and your walk or the direct assurance that comes from your faith - it is something that you have to DO. Even if you believe that you were chosen and justified from eternity there are things you evaluate to see if that applies to you - and it's something you do. The other way that I know of is maybe some of the more sacramental groups that tie assurance more to the fact that you did a certain thing like baptism or the performance of a sacrament. Is that reasonable?
DaveXR650
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The New Birth (8). Evidences of the New Birth
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Yesterday at 12:31 PM.
This thread is really good if the subject of this thread interests you.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Yesterday at 12:31 PM.
This thread is really good if the subject of this thread interests you.
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Your imagination takes you to many false thoughts, Sliverhair.
Silverhair
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It's your theology that says that not the bible. I just point out the inconsistencies in your view. As I said you want God to be sovereign and not sovereign at the same time.
Answer this Austin.
Q Is it possible, for God to create a creature that He Himself does not determine?
A No, it is not possible.
This question shows your inconsistency and the fact you can not see this says a lot about you. You are being willfully blind.
Yet another Calvinist claiming the ability to mind read, this demonstrates the paucity of truth from the advocates of Falseology.
Here another Falseolgy advocate claims to believe God uses credited faith in His sovereign election for salvation is "messed."
Just read Romans 4 folks. and not the bestowal of justification through faith when credited as "righteous faith" by God alone.
Now yet another false charge from the fount of false charges. Here is the deal, this poster simply posts false charges without quoting any statement because my statements usually say the opposite. Did this person say what truth from 1 John 5:13 that I reject? No, of course not.
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Did John write these things (found in 1 John) so born anew believers could "know" that we have eternal life? Yes
Do we believe in the inspired message of John or the Falselogy of Kyrednect? John!
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No one now means no one has told you, even though likes and agrees abound on my posts. Keep digging
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Sorry folks, this subject is not only divisive but unnecessary. It will never be solved in our lifetime, nor will it be solved HERE on the BB. We should be focusing on building the kingdom, and you people are letting Satan have his will and way by continuing this divisive junk...Go figure. Finding a lot of platforms are wasting time allowing this kind of garbage.
DaveXR650
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John Owen didn't think it was a waste of time. Neither did Jonathan Edwards. Neither did John R. Rice for that matter. The low level of debate is a problem on BB but I don't know how to fix that. Did you have anything to contribute or did you just want to waste your time to get on here and say that everyone is wasting their time?
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Understand that no one has supported your illogic as you keep bringing up this silly question of yours as if it has any validity.
The foolishness of your question has been answered many times and you cannot conceive that the answer is...No. Somehow you imagine that God can go against His own nature and if He doesn't go against His nature that somehow would make God less than Sovereign. I cannot make up how literally retarded your thought process is on this issue. Clearly you are desperate to hold on to your humanist theology. I leave you to your bizzare theology.
Van:
"The choice to believe in the name of Christ is our human choice, but that choice does not save anyone. Only those whose faith is credited as righteous faith, by the will of God, are saved."
Why all the verbiage? Sounds like you're saying just because a human chooses Christ doesn't mean God is going to save them. Is that right? Maybe you could untangle or use fewer words to articulate it.
And it's just as I said:
All the verbiage is unnecessary Van. Just own your free will soteriology. It's not like it's a big secret.
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