Can you know if you are "elect".

[AustinC]

Still will not admit what you said. Come on Austin as a Christian you are supposed to be honest. If you can't be honest with me then at least be honest with yourself.

Answer this Austin.
Q Is it possible, for God to create a creature that He Himself does not determine?
A No, it is not possible.

Are you now going to continue denying that you said this?

I have never denied saying no to your silly question Sliverhair.
I laugh at your conclusion as it shows us your humanist philosophy and your hatred of God's Sovereignty.
Now, you can keep trying to assert a falsehood all you want. It will never make your assertion true. Now, run away back to your humanist headquarters and stop imagining you have anything valuable to say to us.

 

[AustinC]

You say "Neither God nor God's writer, Paul, got anything wrong." But if they did not get it wrong and you agree with what they say than that means you are wrong in your understanding. Finally you admit your error. Austin that is your first step toward understand the truth.

Not at all.
You are assuming you are correct, which is the fallacy in this dialogue. You are far away from grasping the truth of God's word and it is your view that is utterly wrong.
We are at an impasse since you are wrong and I will never agree to your false views of God. Go back to your humanist headquarters, Sliverhair.

 

[Silverhair]

I have never denied saying no to your silly question Sliverhair.
I laugh at your conclusion as it shows us your humanist philosophy and your hatred of God's Sovereignty.
Now, you can keep trying to assert a falsehood all you want. It will never make your assertion true. Now, run away back to your humanist headquarters and stop imagining you have anything valuable to say to us.

Why would you consider it a silly question? Do you not think a sovereign God could do that? But since you insist that God could not do that then you have to accept the fact you have just made Him the one that condemns most people to hell for no other reason than He wants to. Remember your version of God has to determine all things. That is Gnostic philosophy.

 

[Silverhair]

Not at all.
You are assuming you are correct, which is the fallacy in this dialogue. You are far away from grasping the truth of God's word and it is your view that is utterly wrong.
We are at an impasse since you are wrong and I will never agree to your false views of God. Go back to your humanist headquarters, Sliverhair.

I just read what the text says without trying to make it fit a predetermined view such as calvinism.

 

[Van]

What the scripture says:
3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Ro 4
What Vanology says:
For what saith the scripture? And Abraham chose to believe God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Yet another post of disinformation, claiming my view is what it is not.

You keep harping about God 'crediting our faith', when what you really mean is God 'crediting our decision'.

Yet another post of disinformation, claiming my view is what it is not. Why are these posters allowed to misrepresent both scripture and opponents?

Romans 4:5 (NASB)
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,​

 

[Martin Marprelate]

And we know that we are saved by the grace of God because we believe the gospel message. You know hear, believe, God saves. If one does not believe then God does not save does He.

That is entirely right, except thatunless God is first with grace no one will ever believe. I can list all the verses that teach this,if you want, but I get fed up with repeating the same stuff over and over again.

 

[Silverhair]

That is entirely right, except thatunless God is first with grace no one will ever believe. I can list all the verses that teach this,if you want, but I get fed up with repeating the same stuff over and over again.

The grace of God is in creation, the gospel, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc. Do you not understand that these things are there for all men not just some? I to get tired of repeating the same things all the time but when people continue to ignore the truth of scripture it is necessary to do so.

While God reaches out to all men if they do not respond in faith then they will be lost.

 

[AustinC]

The grace of God is in creation, the gospel, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc. Do you not understand that these things are there for all men not just some? I to get tired of repeating the same things all the time but when people continue to ignore the truth of scripture it is necessary to do so.

While God reaches out to all men if they do not respond in faith then they will be lost.

Saving grace is not found in nature. Romans 1 is clear. You have been rebuked by many for your false view.

 

[AustinC]

I just read what the text says without trying to make it fit a predetermined view such as calvinism.

You interpret the text by ignoring context.
Question: Do you preach the gospel to all creatures since that is what the text says? How many ants and squirrels have to told the gospel to?

 

[kyredneck]

no response to the Biblical position found in Romans 4, such as God credited his (Abraham's) faith.

What the scripture says:
3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Ro 4

What Vanology says:
For what saith the scripture? And Abraham chose to believe God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

You keep harping about God 'crediting our faith', when what you really mean is God 'crediting our decision'.

Yet another post of disinformation, claiming my view is what it is not.

Yet another post of disinformation, claiming my view is what it is not. Why are these posters allowed to misrepresent both scripture and opponents?

Stop being evasive. Own it. Somewhere along the line you inject man's will into the equation for eternal life in heaven.

You not only reject such truths as:

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 13

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy. Ro 9

...you contradict those truths and inject man's will into it. It's the very foundation of your synergism and your anti-Calvinist crusade. Own it.

 

[DaveXR650]

There are a lot of verses in the Bible explaining the difference between believing and doing works. Are there any verses in the Bible rebuking someone who comes by faith but thinks they came by faith, and so must be rebuked for this?

 

[kyredneck]

There are a lot of verses in the Bible explaining the difference between believing and doing works.

Which ones you have in mind? I can think of a few that seem to contract the two.

Are there any verses in the Bible rebuking someone who comes by faith but thinks they came by faith, and so must be rebuked for this?

Not that I'm aware of.

IMO, there would be hardly, if any, debate on the subject if it weren't for the complainers and murmurers of Romans 9:14-19.

 

[DaveXR650]

What I mean is that I have noticed a thought pattern where saving faith is changed into a "work" just because someone says they did it. They have taken the Calvinistic Monergism that makes salvation all of God from beginning to end and is true - but they have taken it a step further to where you not even allowed to say that you believed the gospel in order be saved without being accused of a works based salvation. I'm sorry, but you have to believe the gospel and trust Christ - you do not have to believe and trust in Calvinistic theology.

 

[kyredneck]

What I mean is that I have noticed a thought pattern where saving faith is changed into a "work"

I think that's precisely what 'duty faith' does. Indistinguishable from a work of the law.

Still curious which passages you think explain the difference between faith and works.

 

[Silverhair]

Saving grace is not found in nature. Romans 1 is clear. You have been rebuked by many for your false view.

You response just shows you do not read you just react. What did I say in that post?

"The grace of God is in creation, the gospel, the conviction of the Holy Spirit, etc. Do you not understand that these things are there for all men not just some? I to get tired of repeating the same things all the time but when people continue to ignore the truth of scripture it is necessary to do so.

While God reaches out to all men if they do not respond in faith then they will be lost."

 

[DaveXR650]

I think that's precisely what 'duty faith' does. Indistinguishable from a work of the law.

Still curious which passages you think explain the difference between faith and works.

I don't want to get too off track but hey, it's my thread! I was thinking of verses like Romans 4:5 or Ephesians 2:8-9. A good explanation of "duty faith" that was easy for me to read was in Andrew Fuller's work called something like "The Gospel Worthy of all Acceptation". I think it just means that the general call or offer of the Gospel is real for everyone and while it truly is a duty to comply with it is also an act of grace and love.

 

[Silverhair]

You interpret the text by ignoring context.
Question: Do you preach the gospel to all creatures since that is what the text says? How many ants and squirrels have to told the gospel to?

Austin you are just proving that you can be really really stupid in some of you comments. What does the bible say.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. NASB
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
BSB
Mar 16:15 Then he said to them, "As you go throughout the world, proclaim the Good News to all creation. CJB
Mar 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. NIV
Mar 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. NET
Mar 16:15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation. NRSV
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature NKJV

Now this may be hard for you to comprehend but ants and squirrels and such do not have a soul and do not understand morality. And I know this will shock you but they do not speak either.
Austin it would actually be better if you stopped commenting and let people think you are a fool rather than continue posting and prove you are one.


G2937
(2) in NT creation, the act of creating, Rom_1:20; creation, the material universe, Mar_10:6; Mar_13:19; Heb_9:11; 2Pe_3:4; a created thing, a creature, Rom_1:25; Rom_8:39; Col_1:15; Heb_4:13; the human creation, Mar_16:15; Rom_8:19-22; Col_1:23; a spiritual creation, 2Co_5:17; Gal_6:15

 

[AustinC]

Austin you are just proving that you can be really really stupid in some of you comments. What does the bible say.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. NASB
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
BSB
Mar 16:15 Then he said to them, "As you go throughout the world, proclaim the Good News to all creation. CJB
Mar 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. NIV
Mar 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. NET
Mar 16:15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation. NRSV
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature NKJV

Now this may be hard for you to comprehend but ants and squirrels and such do not have a soul and do not understand morality. And I know this will shock you but they do not speak either.
Austin it would actually be better if you stopped commenting and let people think you are a fool rather than continue posting and prove you are one.


G2937
(2) in NT creation, the act of creating, Rom_1:20; creation, the material universe, Mar_10:6; Mar_13:19; Heb_9:11; 2Pe_3:4; a created thing, a creature, Rom_1:25; Rom_8:39; Col_1:15; Heb_4:13; the human creation, Mar_16:15; Rom_8:19-22; Col_1:23; a spiritual creation, 2Co_5:17; Gal_6:15

I'm not interpreting. I'm just showing you God's word.
*Mark 16:15*
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
- Mark 16:15

Are you doing what the text says, Sliverhair?

 

[Silverhair]

I'm not interpreting. I'm just showing you God's word.
*Mark 16:15*
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
- Mark 16:15

Are you doing what the text says, Sliverhair?

Just keep reading Austin. Context matters.

Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

I realize that you are trying to be smart but you are just being foolish. Try be act like an adult.

And by the way if it were possible for ants and squirrels to believe then I would do that, wouldn't you?

 

[AustinC]

Just keep reading Austin. Context matters.

Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

I realize that you are trying to be smart but you are just being foolish. Try be act like an adult.

And by the way if it were possible for ants and squirrels to believe then I would do that, wouldn't you?

Do you preach to every creature? That's what the text says. Since you don't do any interpreting you must take the words literally. How has that evangelism to the river carp been going?