Featured Can you know if you are "elect".

It's called the grace of God.

 

Quote me saying the bolded statement of yours or admit you are falsely claiming what I actually said.
What is correct is that you cannot imagine how I can be declaring God's Sovereignty when I say no to your silly question.
Your incapacity to understand is the fruit of your humanist philosophy.

 

The rejection is true of all humanity. In that statement, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people", we see that if God chose not to graciously save and radically ransom, not one person would choose God. Why? Because we are disobedient and contrary to God and His holiness. It is our nature by virtue of the curse which Adam invoked by breaking the Covenant.
Either God graciously chooses to ransom us or we are damned. This is the fate of man.

 

God has set a plan for salvation and it is for all mankind. Those that trust in the Son will be saved those that reject Him will be lost. But for that to be just man has to have the free will to make real choices. God in His sovereignty has given man such a free will but some deny that God would do this. It is unfortunate that they want to limit God but that is what they have done and continue to do. Man does not have an autonomous free will sch that he can save himself but he does have the free will so as to trust the gospel and be saved by God.

 

And we know that we are saved by the grace of God because we believe the gospel message. You know hear, believe, God saves. If one does not believe then God does not save does He.

 

Answer this Austin.
Q Is it possible, for God to create a creature that He Himself does not determine?
A No, it is not possible.

Do you continue to deny that God is sovereign as the bold text above shows. When you say God can not do something then you, Austin, are denying the sovereignty of God. You can continue to what you said until the cows come home but the truth is there for all to see. Own up to it Austin.

 

Folks, notice the fallacious reasoning of Sliverhair as he makes conclusions and then attributes those conclusions to me, when the conclusion is entirely Sliverhair's.

Of course Sliverhair is entirely wrong as he is forcing his humanism on God. There is nothing more to say as Sliverhair has exposed himself as glorying man while attempting to bring down God.

 

A perfect example of salvation by works, apart from grace.
Sliverhair, you are exposed.

 

1 John 5:12-13, ". . . He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. . . ."

 

I would caution you to read what he wrote and see that it is openly works salvation being taught. Actually discern what is being said instead of turning off theology while playing the role of Neville Chamberlain on this thread. Appeasement of unbiblical teaching for the sake of unity always results in heresy entering the body of Christ. It's time you took your stand and stopped trying to appease false doctrine. You are doing no one any favors by your words.

Belief is the effect of God's grace being extended to a dead man when God makes that man alive.

 

What Sliverhair stated is the standard semi-pelagian teaching, common to the RCC, the Orthodox, and all who imagine themselves as the key contributors to their salvation. It is a graceless gospel that attempts to pull God off the throne and establish a co-rulership. It is awful theology.

 

Austin your words have caught you out. You clearly deny that God can do as he pleases.

Answer this Austin.
Q Is it possible, for God to create a creature that He Himself does not determine?
A No, it is not possible.

Are you now going to deny that you said this? You are struggling way to hard Austin. You deny the sovereignty of God and you refuse to see that you do.

 

Looks like you do not trust the bible. Have you even read Ephesians 1:13 or perhaps Romans 10:9-13 or even Ephesians 2:8. Did you think the Holy Spirit got it wrong or did Paul make a mistake when he put pen to paper?

That you continue to deny scripture just shows you are being blinded to the truth. But the question is by whom?

 

What you think is irrelevant since you look with closed eyes.
Neither God nor God's writer, Paul, got anything wrong. But, your interpretation is purely humanist and is as bad as anything one could pick.
To you I provide these words:
*Matthew 15:14*
Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

I will not follow your blind teaching.

 

LOL, I clearly deny your teaching and you are not God, though you seem to imagine you are. I call that humanism.

 

You say "Neither God nor God's writer, Paul, got anything wrong." But if they did not get it wrong and you agree with what they say than that means you are wrong in your understanding. Finally you admit your error. Austin that is your first step toward understand the truth.

 

Still will not admit what you said. Come on Austin as a Christian you are supposed to be honest. If you can't be honest with me then at least be honest with yourself.

Answer this Austin.
Q Is it possible, for God to create a creature that He Himself does not determine?
A No, it is not possible.

Are you now going to continue denying that you said this?