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Canada passes another liberty limiting law.

Adonia

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On top of the law the Canadian Parliament passed not too long ago giving special rights to Muslims, they are now on the verge of passing a national law making it illegal for one person to call another anything but what they want to be called regarding gender issues. It will be against the law for you to call a person John Smith when they now wish to be called Jane Smith. That's it folks, our northern neighbors are losing their collective minds over this kind of stuff. I am certainly glad my parents moved to America in the 1950's.
 

Gold Dragon

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On top of the law the Canadian Parliament passed not too long ago giving special rights to Muslims, they are now on the verge of passing a national law making it illegal for one person to call another anything but what they want to be called regarding gender issues. It will be against the law for you to call a person John Smith when they now wish to be called Jane Smith. That's it folks, our northern neighbors are losing their collective minds over this kind of stuff. I am certainly glad my parents moved to America in the 1950's.

Links?
 

Gold Dragon

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Thanks for this.

Just an FYI to folks that this amendment adds gender identity to the groups that can be protected against for discrimination and hate crimes. Calling someone John when they want to be called Jane is neither discrimination nor hate speech. It's just childish.

Here is the Canadian human rights act
Canadian Human Rights Act

Things identified as discrimination include denial of goods and services, employment, wages.


Here is the section on harassment.

Canadian Human Rights Act
Marginal note:Harassment
  • 14 (1) It is a discriminatory practice,
    • (a) in the provision of goods, services, facilities or accommodation customarily available to the general public,

    • (b) in the provision of commercial premises or residential accommodation, or

    • (c) in matters related to employment,
    to harass an individual on a prohibited ground of discrimination.

  • Marginal note:Sexual harassment
    (2) Without limiting the generality of subsection (1), sexual harassment shall, for the purposes of that subsection, be deemed to be harassment on a prohibited ground of discrimination.

Canadian criminal code - hate speech
Criminal Code
Marginal note:public incitement of hatred
  • 319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
    • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

    • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
  • Marginal note:Wilful promotion of hatred
    (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
    • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

    • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
  • Marginal note:Defences
    (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
    • (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

    • (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

    • (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

    • (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
 
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Revmitchell

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Calling John Jane and feeding this gross perversion by otherwise sane and coherent people is disgusting and I as most Americans will not play a part in it.
 

Gold Dragon

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Calling John Jane and feeding this gross perversion by otherwise sane and coherent people is disgusting and I as most Americans will not play a part in it.

This law does not prevent you from voicing that in Canada. It does prevent you from discriminating against folks for this reason and for inciting hate against them.
 

Revmitchell

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This law does not prevent you from voicing that in Canada. It does prevent you from discriminating against folks for this reason and for inciting hate against them.

Discriminating against them how? Inciting violence against them how? Its not happening anywhere.
 

Gold Dragon

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In other words it is a law looking for a problem

It is a problem you are not aware of. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you care to look and do some research it is very prevelant.

Canada is legislating to formally ban discrimination against transgender people
In the past, courts and human rights tribunals in Canada have generally decided to hear cases involving transgender people, but they did so on the basis of broad provisions in existing law prohibiting discrimination based on sex, said Brenda Cossman, a law professor at the University of Toronto and the director of its Mark S. Bonham Center for Sexual Diversity Studies.

"This just makes that crystal clear," Cossman said, adding that she believed it was nevertheless a significant step.

The government's proposals include changes to both the federal criminal code and the Canadian Human Rights Act. The changes to the criminal code will have a broader effect, because criminal law is solely a federal responsibility in Canada, while each province has its own human rights charter.

Current law makes it a crime to make "hate propaganda" against members of specific groups; the proposed legislation would add transgender people to the list. It would also oblige judges to consider in sentencing decisions whether crimes were caused by or aggravated because of discrimination against transgender people.

Though the federal human rights act applies only to citizens' interactions with the federal government or with federally regulated industries like airlines and phone companies, Cossman said that the proposed revisions would still bring significant changes, and that the federal government was "leading by example."

She said that only eight of Canada's 13 provinces and territories specifically included transgender people under their human rights laws, and that only five covered both gender identity and gender expression.
 

Adonia

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Great if that were true. And the law is meant to keep it that way.

If I tell a "transgender" (we used to call them transvestites) person that they will always remain the sex that they were born into, that would be a violation of the law, even though I would be correct because even though these folks might wear the clothes of the opposite sex, they will always have the DNA of their birth. Good grief, this is just another one of Canada's many thought crimes. Unbelievable!
 

Gold Dragon

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If I tell a "transgender" (we used to call them transvestites) person that they will always remain the sex that they were born into, that would be a violation of the law

Except it isn't a violation of the law. It would be helpful if you read how Canadian laws define discrimination and hate speech in the links I provided above. Your post above does not fall under either category.
 

Use of Time

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Except it isn't a violation of the law. It would be helpful if you read how Canadian laws define discrimination and hate speech in the links I provided above. Your post above does not fall under either category.

I love how people take a hard stand around even on issues they are clueless about.
 

Gold Dragon

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Maybe Jesus was when he said "You brood of vipers..." If name calling is "inciting hatred," then He was guilty.
The people he said that to were the religious elite of the Pharisees who condemned him for hanging out and showing grace to sinners.
 

Alcott

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The people he said that to were the religious elite of the Pharisees who condemned him for hanging out and showing grace to sinners.

Not in that particular passage-- Matthew 27:33 his condemnation was for their claiming they would never have killed the prophets as their fathers did. Regardless...So? Did he intend to incite hatred is what this part of this thread is about.
 
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