Cannot believe?

[Forest]

Your interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 cannot be correct, for in the very same book Paul says if unbelievers come in and hear the church prophesy in words easy to be understood he will be convinced by all, and judged by all, and falling down on his face will worship God. (1 Cor 14:24-25). 1 Cor 2:14 is not discussing the gospel, but the "deep" things of God (vs. 10).


Yes, and Jesus says that when we believe we have "everlasting" life.

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.




And I just showed you that Jesus said those that hear his word and believe have everlasting life.



I understand the difference between being saved out of a sickness or particular situation where we are in danger, but Jesus said those that believe on him have everlasting life and will not come into condemnation.

You know these verses as well as I, but you try to change the meaning. Jesus is not speaking of illness or being in a situation of danger here, he is speaking of being forgiven all our sins and given everlasting life, never to come into condemnation. These scriptures are very straightforward and easy to understand, but you change the meaning.

Believing is the result of having everlasting life, not the cause of everlasting life. Matt 10:6, Jesus told his apostles to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Israel being his elect) Jacob is Israel. God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel,Gen 32:28. If they are his sheep, they are eternally saved, but are lost from a fellowship with God, in that they are believing in false doctrines, such as eternal salvation by their own righteousness. The preaching of Christ's doctrine is not to eternally save anyone, but to deliver God's sheep from false doctrines that have caused them to be seperated from fellowship with God, not their eternal salvation. All of God's sheep were eternally saved by Christ upon the cross.John 6:37-41. Matt 11:25, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. There are many more of God's children that do not understand the doctrine of Christ, than there are who do understand the doctrine of Christ.(Gal 4:27,The desolate[lost sheep] hath many more children than she which hath an husband[bride of Christ]. Does not mean they are not saved eternally, just God's sheep that are lost from his fellowship.

 

[Forest]

Thank you, and I apologize for my sarcasm as well. :love2:

You know, you are not quite in the Reformed/Calvinist camp. You recognize from Romans 1 that men can "know" about God, because God has shown them.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Notice that verse 19 speaks of "that which may be known of God". So, I believe this implies men have a limited knowledge of God. They cannot possibly know the gospel of Jesus Christ and believe on him by simple observation of the creation around them, but I believe they can know and understand enough to seek for God. They surely know enough to know there is a God and are therefore responsible to seek for him. Would you agree?

Men also by nature know some acts are contrary to nature.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

These verses argue that man by nature understands that some actions are wrong and sin, in this case it is speaking of h*m*sexuality. I believe this is OBVIOUS to all if you know what I mean. You cannot plug a male electrical plug into another male electrical plug, it must be plugged into a female socket. So, it is pretty easy to understand the male and female were designed for each other, and that men with men, and women with women is unnatural.

So, men are not nearly so depraved as Calvinism teaches. They are not utterly oblivious to what is right and wrong. Not only this, but Paul further shows men are able to do what is right.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

The scriptures do not show unregenerate man unable to understand and do that which is lawful and right, they show exactly the opposite, that all men have the law written on their hearts and also have a conscience.

Calvinists skip over all these verses and go straight to Romans 3 to proof-text Total Depravity. They choose to overlook the first two chapters which show men not only can conceive of God and know what is right and wrong, but are able to perform it also.

I am glad to see that you see this in Romans 1.

Rom 8:1 is not refering to the unregenerate but to depraved children of God. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand the depravity of man.

 

[Forest]

So what role would the Spirit take in this unbeliever being convicted?

There are many more of the unbelieving elect of God than there are of the elect that do believe. The believing and the unbelieving are both saved eternally. Believing is not the cause of our eternal life, but is a product of it to those who have had the truth revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Forest]

God's word is Spirit.

Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

God's Word is not ordinary words, they are spirit, and they are life. Do not ask me to explain this, I cannot, but that is what Jesus himself said.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Again, the word of God is not ordinary words, they are quick and powerful, they can pierce the heart and convict the hardest sinner. They are a truth which all men inwardly know is true. They teach, they give knowledge...

But man must do the hearing. God came down to speak to us in a way we could understand, through hearing, and through the understanding of the mind. It is not that we reach up to God, it is that he came down and met us on our level.

Only God's sheep can hear his voice, not the natural man.

 

[psalms109:31]

John 1:
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Matthew 10:33
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

Luke 12:9
But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

His sheep is a Hyperbole. People are not sheep they are people, to me it is talking about their attitude towards Jesus. If you want to use a hyperbole as people then I wouldn't be His sheep, but a dog who begged at His table who He included with His Sheep when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed.

 

[jbh28]

There are many more of the unbelieving elect of God than there are of the elect that do believe. The believing and the unbelieving are both saved eternally. Believing is not the cause of our eternal life, but is a product of it to those who have had the truth revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

There will be no people saved that don't believe. To say one can be in Christ and be in heaven and never believe goes totally against the teachings of Scripture.

 

[convicted1]

John 1:
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Matthew 10:33
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

Luke 12:9
But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

His sheep is a Hyperbole. People are not sheep they are people, to me it is talking about their attitude towards Jesus. If you want to use a hyperbole as people then I wouldn't be His sheep, but a dog who begged at His table who He included with His Sheep when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed.

So many of your posts are breaths of fresh air. This "gem" is no different!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[convicted1]

There will be no people saved that don't believe. To say one can be in Christ and be in heaven and never believe goes totally against the teachings of Scripture.

AMEN!!! Preach it Brother!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Winman]

Only God's sheep can hear his voice, not the natural man.

Your false doctrine of Total Inability is immediately refuted in scripture.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Adam and Eve sinned, and now they were spiritually dead in sin. But they could hear God when he called them and responded positively to God and came to him when he called.

So, your false doctrine of Total Inability is the very FIRST thing refuted in scripture. Never do the scriptures teach that an unregenerated sinner is UNABLE to respond to God when he calls them, in fact, the scriptures show the exact opposite of what you teach.

And the coats that God made for Adam and Eve represent the righteousness imputed to those who believe God, so this proves not only that the unregenerate can hear and respond to God positively, but they can believe and be saved.

Total Inability is false and immediately refuted in the scriptures.

 

[Forest]

John 1:
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Matthew 10:33
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

Luke 12:9
But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

His sheep is a Hyperbole. People are not sheep they are people, to me it is talking about their attitude towards Jesus. If you want to use a hyperbole as people then I wouldn't be His sheep, but a dog who begged at His table who He included with His Sheep when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed.

John 10:15, And I lay down my life for the sheep. Did Christ die for a bunch of wolly sheep? Or did Christ die for people? So, you do see that God refers to his people as sheep. Only his sheep (his people) hear his voice. John 10:28, Does God give eternal life to a bunch of sheep, or does he give eternal life to his people? God's people and his sheep are interchangeable.

 

[Forest]

There will be no people saved that don't believe. To say one can be in Christ and be in heaven and never believe goes totally against the teachings of Scripture.

2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself.

 

[Forest]

Your false doctrine of Total Inability is immediately refuted in scripture.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Adam and Eve sinned, and now they were spiritually dead in sin. But they could hear God when he called them and responded positively to God and came to him when he called.

So, your false doctrine of Total Inability is the very FIRST thing refuted in scripture. Never do the scriptures teach that an unregenerated sinner is UNABLE to respond to God when he calls them, in fact, the scriptures show the exact opposite of what you teach.

And the coats that God made for Adam and Eve represent the righteousness imputed to those who believe God, so this proves not only that the unregenerate can hear and respond to God positively, but they can believe and be saved.

Total Inability is false and immediately refuted in the scriptures.

The natural man will not seek to serve a spiritual God, 1 Cor 2:14. They do not hear his voice because they are not of his sheep, John 10.

 

[Forest]

The natural man will not seek to serve a spiritual God, 1 Cor 2:14. They do not hear his voice because they are not of his sheep, John 10.

In Gen 3:10 God had not pronounced judgement upon Adam yet.

 

[psalms109:31]

John 10:15, And I lay down my life for the sheep. Did Christ die for a bunch of wolly sheep? Or did Christ die for people? So, you do see that God refers to his people as sheep. Only his sheep (his people) hear his voice. John 10:28, Does God give eternal life to a bunch of sheep, or does he give eternal life to his people? God's people and his sheep are interchangeable.

John 6:
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

John 6:
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 6:
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Proverbs 3 :
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.[Or will direct your paths]

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

We are all dead without Christ, all men have sinned and all men are dead and sheep is just a hyperbole telling of their attitude toward Jesus they are not born sheep, people are people.

God has hidden the truth from the wise and learned those who depend on their own understanding, ever hearing never understanding because it isn't God who isn't willing but them.

Luke 13:34
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Those who listen and learn who trust in the Lord not in their own understanding those are the ones who will come, those are the ones who the Father has given to Jesus. He will lead them they are His sheep.

 

[convicted1]

John 6:
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

John 6:
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 6:
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Proverbs 3 :
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.[Or will direct your paths]

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

We are all dead without Christ, all men have sinned and all men are dead and sheep is just a hyperbole telling of their attitude toward Jesus they are not born sheep, people are people.

God has hidden the truth from the wise and learned those who depend on their own understanding, ever hearing never understanding because it isn't God who isn't willing but them.

Luke 13:34
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Those who listen and learn who trust in the Lord not in their own understanding those are the ones who will come, those are the ones who the Father has given to Jesus. He will lead them they are His sheep.

Amen, Brother, amen!! Errr, I am a sheep, so "Baa, Brother, baa"....:laugh:


Very good "breath of fresh air" post again!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[convicted1]

The natural man will not seek to serve a spiritual God, 1 Cor 2:14. They do not hear his voice because they are not of his sheep, John 10.

Well, Adam was spiritually dead, yet when God spoke, he heard.

The rich man in hell was/is spiritually dead, and yet he communed with Abraham.

Spiritually dead people can hear God when He speaks. Spiritual death means seperation from God, not a lifeless soul/inner man. If the soul/inner man is dead like a corpse, then the whole man is dead. When God creates the soul, it will never die. Sure, when we die, the soul/inner man leaves the body, and the body dies. But the soul will go either up or down and continue to exist. It will never die, even if it's cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

 

[Skandelon]

Well, Adam was spiritually dead, yet when God spoke, he heard.

The rich man in hell was/is spiritually dead, and yet he communed with Abraham.

Spiritually dead people can hear God when He speaks. Spiritual death means seperation from God, not a lifeless soul/inner man. If the soul/inner man is dead like a corpse, then the whole man is dead. When God creates the soul, it will never die. Sure, when we die, the soul/inner man leaves the body, and the body dies. But the soul will go either up or down and continue to exist. It will never die, even if it's cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

:thumbs: You're on a roll Willis!

It amazes me how one can conclude a man is born like a corpse in regard to a positive response, but yet has the ability to rebel and reject God's powerful gospel truth with all the life in the world.

 

[jbh28]

2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself.

Way to take a verse way out of context. Your interpretation cannot be correct. It's not speaking about people that have never had faith but will be saved anyway. That view is completely false.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
(John 3:18 ESV)

 

[Forest]

Way to take a verse way out of context. Your interpretation cannot be correct. It's not speaking about people that have never had faith but will be saved anyway. That view is completely false.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
(John 3:18 ESV)

1 Cor 3:15, If any man's work does not abide the fire (unbelief) he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. If there is anything that you do not believe, do you conclude that it is taken out of context? Are you sure that the condemnation in John 3:18 is condemned to everlasting punishment, or maybe it is condemned from a fellowship with God and not condemned from heaven.

 

[Forest]

John 6:
45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

John 6:
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 6:
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Proverbs 3 :
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.[Or will direct your paths]

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

We are all dead without Christ, all men have sinned and all men are dead and sheep is just a hyperbole telling of their attitude toward Jesus they are not born sheep, people are people.

God has hidden the truth from the wise and learned those who depend on their own understanding, ever hearing never understanding because it isn't God who isn't willing but them.

Luke 13:34
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Those who listen and learn who trust in the Lord not in their own understanding those are the ones who will come, those are the ones who the Father has given to Jesus. He will lead them they are His sheep.

They are not his sheep because they hear, they hear because they are his sheep.