Capital Punishment -- Proof it should be eliminated

[go2church]

At what percentage is not okay to kill someone?

 

[prophet]

Why would a case be reopened and expenses incurred once a person has been executed. It wouldn't and that is the primary reason no one already executed has been found innocent. Where is your critical thinking skills.

But we know that innocent people have been released from death row. Thus we know there are still innocent people on death row, but the proof has not been found and may never be found.

Thus, it is only logical to say that innocent people in the past have been executed and that innocent people in the future will also be executed if capital punishment continues.

Thus, IMNO, as long as there is the possibility of innocent people being on death row no executions should be allowed.

Thank God every time an innocent man is freed.

Gen 4:15
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Gen 4:23-24
23 And Lamech said unto his wives,
Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice;
ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech:
For I have slain a man to my wounding, And a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold,
Truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Gen 6:13
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Gen 9:6
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:for in the image of God made he man.

First time we tried anything other than Capital Punishment for murder, the whole world went to $#!+.
And here we go again, in USA.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And likewise - when a man is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - the State is NOT taking his life -the Criminal did it to himself.

What about the innocent man/woman who is executed? Did they do it to his or her self?

 

[carpro]

One thing to really appreciate about the death penalty...the rate of recidivism is ZERO.

 

[Crabtownboy]

One thing to really appreciate about the death penalty...the rate of recidivism is ZERO.

So you do not care that innocent people are on death row and that some will die even thought innocent.

 

[church mouse guy]

Is it a sin to execute convicted innocent people?

Apparently you still have not found anything in the Bible that says it is proper to execute innocent people because you have asked this question three times in this thread.

Have you found that verse of Scripture yet that says that murderers should not be executed?

 

[church mouse guy]

Why would a case be reopened and expenses incurred once a person has been executed. It wouldn't and that is the primary reason no one already executed has been found innocent. Where is your critical thinking skills.

But we know that innocent people have been released from death row. Thus we know there are still innocent people on death row, but the proof has not been found and may never be found.

Thus, it is only logical to say that innocent people in the past have been executed and that innocent people in the future will also be executed if capital punishment continues.

Thus, IMNO, as long as there is the possibility of innocent people being on death row no executions should be allowed.

How do you yourself know that they are innocent when the proof has not been found, as you say?

 

[church mouse guy]

People opposed to capital punishment still expect innocent police officers to die defending them from murderers.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

I didn't mean heck. Statement of shock and or surprise.

The system in your opinion should be systemS, okay. When I said system, I was referencing both parts as I don't see how you can get to one without the other. To follow your line of thinking, my main issue is with the penalty phase, specifically with the application of death as a penalty as acceptable, knowing full well that there are mistakes being made. I find that just unacceptable, even at a best 1.4%. You seem to think that mistakes with a persons life are acceptable. The question is at what percentage does it become not okay? Couldn't those of the pro-choice camp,say the same thing? Hey, we're only killing 1.4% of the babies, what's the problem? Seems ridiculous. Be it via abortion or lethal injection, killing innocents is wrong.[/QUOTE]

This conflating of the death penalty with abortion really bothers me, and I'm sure I'm not alone (and not having read the entire thread, I may be duplicating others' posts.) IMO, our legal system is very good, but like anything that rests on the judgment of fallible humans, it makes mistakes. Lumping these errors, when they involve the death penalty, with the systematic premeditated killing of millions of unborn infants seems uncalled for. Unfortunately, it puts me in mind of one of Stalin's uglier statements (and pleaase, please, please don't think I'm trying to apply it to anything posted on this thread, except perhaps in reference to some abortion-on-demand advocates.) Josef's comment was something like, "One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

 

[Jedi Knight]

So you do not care that innocent people are on death row and that some will die even thought innocent.

YOU don't care what God says on the matter.....typical liberal.

 

[matt wade]

YOU don't care what God says on the matter.....typical liberal.

Educate us...what does God say about executing people that are innocent? Does God say that government is infallible and that every time they convict someone and sentence them to death that we are to agree with that or we become anti-God and a liberal?

Can't your simple mind entertain the idea that in a very small percentage of cases that someone may be convicted wrongly and they shouldn't be executed?

 

[church mouse guy]

Educate us...what does God say about executing people that are innocent? Does God say that government is infallible and that every time they convict someone and sentence them to death that we are to agree with that or we become anti-God and a liberal?

Can't your simple mind entertain the idea that in a very small percentage of cases that someone may be convicted wrongly and they shouldn't be executed?

How do you get away with making personal attacks on people?

 

[Sapper Woody]

So you do not care that innocent people are on death row and that some will die even thought innocent.

You keep saying this. Why don't you come up with some honest? You KNOW no one is saying that. You are deliberately being ignorant and trying to obfuscate the discussion. Every time you say this you sink lower in my eyes. No one has said, or implied this. You keep bringing it up, avoiding the actual discussion.

 

[Revmitchell]

You keep saying this. Why don't you come up with some honest? You KNOW no one is saying that. You are deliberately being ignorant and trying to obfuscate the discussion. Every time you say this you sink lower in my eyes. No one has said, or implied this. You keep bringing it up, avoiding the actual discussion.

He does it in every thread he gets involved in. It is a result that he had gotten mad. It is his way of making a personal attack. Also the dishonesty is a regular part of his posts. What you have seen is only one small part of that.

 

[church mouse guy]

He does it in every thread he gets involved in. It is a result that he had gotten mad. It is his way of making a personal attack. Also the dishonesty is a regular part of his posts. What you have seen is only one small part of that.

If liberalism in theology is a cult, and it is, then we can rely on the rule of thumb that members of cults often become demon possessed or insane.

 

[go2church]

I didn't mean heck. Statement of shock and or surprise.

The system in your opinion should be systemS, okay. When I said system, I was referencing both parts as I don't see how you can get to one without the other. To follow your line of thinking, my main issue is with the penalty phase, specifically with the application of death as a penalty as acceptable, knowing full well that there are mistakes being made. I find that just unacceptable, even at a best 1.4%. You seem to think that mistakes with a persons life are acceptable. The question is at what percentage does it become not okay? Couldn't those of the pro-choice camp,say the same thing? Hey, we're only killing 1.4% of the babies, what's the problem? Seems ridiculous. Be it via abortion or lethal injection, killing innocents is wrong.[/QUOTE]

This conflating of the death penalty with abortion really bothers me, and I'm sure I'm not alone (and not having read the entire thread, I may be duplicating others' posts.) IMO, our legal system is very good, but like anything that rests on the judgment of fallible humans, it makes mistakes. Lumping these errors, when they involve the death penalty, with the systematic premeditated killing of millions of unborn infants seems uncalled for. Unfortunately, it puts me in mind of one of Stalin's uglier statements (and pleaase, please, please don't think I'm trying to apply it to anything posted on this thread, except perhaps in reference to some abortion-on-demand advocates.) Josef's comment was something like, "One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

Killing someone who deserves to live, no matter the age, is wrong. It does not matter the number or the means, it is wrong and will always be wrong. It isn't acceptable on any level at any percentage.

I'm not sure what to do with the Stalin comment - hardly seems like the go to quote source for either side of the capital punishment argument.

Let us not forget we are dealing with the lives of people, living breathing human beings, that are loved by God. It seems to me disgraceful to speak of humanity, something God created and loves, as a simple statistic.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You keep saying this. Why don't you come up with some honest? You KNOW no one is saying that. You are deliberately being ignorant and trying to obfuscate the discussion. Every time you say this you sink lower in my eyes. No one has said, or implied this. You keep bringing it up, avoiding the actual discussion.

What percentage of innocent people being executed is acceptable to you? After all the OP is about an innocent person on death row being freed witn DNA evidence.

So, again, what percentage of innocent people being executed is acceptable to you?

Stay on the subject, Sapper, which is innocent people on death row.

 

[Sapper Woody]

What percentage of innocent people being executed is acceptable to you? After all the OP is about an innocent person on death row being freed witn DNA evidence.

So, again, what percentage of innocent people being executed is acceptable to you?

Stay on the subject, Sapper, which is innocent people on death row.

Tell you what. I'll stay on subject if you do. Quit straying from the subject to make absurd claims, and I'll quit straying to call you out on it.

 

[Revmitchell]

Tell you what. I'll stay on subject if you do. Quit straying from the subject to make absurd claims, and I'll quit straying to call you out on it.

Brother you are making an attempt to do something many have been trying for years to do on this board. In response crabby will call you off topic, make back handed digs, and continue to (as in the case of this thread) question you as to why you support killing innocent people.

I have been on this board since 2006. He has always done this since he has been on this board. Your attempt is honerable but in vain.

 

[church mouse guy]

Not only do liberals expect innocent policemen to die protecting liberal lives and property but also liberals if they win this election will want to extend the death penalty to hate crimes. The liberals of the French Revolution had no problem with cutting off peoples' heads and neither would the Democrat Party if they had absolute power.