Car catches on fire

[Salty]

Tesla car battery 'spontaneously' catches fire, requiring 6,000 gallons of water to put it out

 

[Cathode]

That’s why Diesel is the future.

 

[37818]

Tesla car battery 'spontaneously' catches fire, requiring 6,000 gallons of water to put it out

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk has previously said only 0.01% of Teslas have ever caught fire. That compares with an annual rate of 0.08% for all passenger and heavy-duty vehicles in a given year, according to NHTSA and the National Fire Protection Association."

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

6,000 gallons is on the low end for electric car fires.

For comparison on water consumption:
We had a big industrial fire one day, my Captain and I ran a pump station out of a farm pond to refill tankers. We filled ~60 tankers for a total of around ~400 thousand gallons of water for 16 hours of unpaid time.

A SINGLE electric car fire at 40,000 gallons will require 10% of the the response needed for a massive industrial fire.

A SINGLE gas car fire at 2500 gallons will require 0.625% of the response for a massive industrial fire.

Put another way electric cars often require 16 times the amount of water that a gas car does AND the electric car fires come with the added fun ability to spontaneously reignite DAYS after the fire is out.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tp0FFY4oBsg

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk has previously said only 0.01% of Teslas have ever caught fire. That compares with an annual rate of 0.08% for all passenger and heavy-duty vehicles in a given year, according to NHTSA and the National Fire Protection Association."

His point doesn't add anything of value though.

I can say that Nuclear bombs are misplaced far less often than convention bombs.

However the risk of 1 Nuclear Bomb getting lost is not equal to the risk of 1 conventional bomb getting lost.

I'd rather lose 500 conventional bombs than 1 nuclear bomb.

I'd rather have 20 gas car fires than 1 electric car fire.

 

[canadyjd]

Tesla car battery 'spontaneously' catches fire, requiring 6,000 gallons of water to put it out

Not mentioned is the amount of toxins and heavy metals released into the air and washed into the sewers.

Every battery ever made, if not recycled, will eventually explode. Electric car batteries cannot be recycled.

We will, eventually, have to build underground waste containment sites like we do for contaminated nuclear waste water.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk has previously said only 0.01% of Teslas have ever caught fire. That compares with an annual rate of 0.08% for all passenger and heavy-duty vehicles in a given year, according to NHTSA and the National Fire Protection Association."

You may be correct at this time - but the number of EV is a very low % - thus we may not get a good comparison.

 

[JonC]

One interesting fact is that more gas cars per number sold catch on fire compared to electric cars.

In fact, gasoline vehicles are about 100% more prone to fires.

 

[37818]

You may be correct at this time - but the number of EV is a very low % - thus we may not get a good comparison.

I quoted from said article. I found it to be an interesting claim. I am not a fan of electric cars. Battery fire? For me, that is one more reason not to want an electric car. An that wasn't do to a traffic accident! 6000 gal of water?

 

[Van]

Lets see, there are about 8 times the rate of fossil fuel vehicle fires as for BEV"s. Yet the claim is made more water is needed for the BEV fires. But how much water is needed if the fire fighters protect the area and let the fire burn itself out? Thus a manufactured claim to promote fossil fuel.

Does it really take 6000 gallons or more to put out a BEV battery fire? One test case did the job with 2000 gallons. Another said 4000 liters (less than 2000 gallons). Of course if you continue to pour water for an hour or more, you can "use" thousands of gallons. But if you use a "mist" to keep it cool, much less water is needed.

And what about the LFP batteries coming down the production line? They will experience even less thermal runaways. Why no mention?

 

[OnlyaSinner]

How many EVs with LFP batteries are on the road?

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Lets see, there are about 8 times the rate of fossil fuel vehicle fires as for BEV"s. Yet the claim is made more water is needed for the BEV fires. But how much water is needed if the fire fighters protect the area and let the fire burn itself out? Thus a manufactured claim to promote fossil fuel.

Not a claim, a fact as per current Firefighter training from the NFPA. I've fought vehicle fires a few times and I will take gas fires any old day over electric.
NFPA Journal - Stranded Energy, January/February 2020

Does it really take 6000 gallons or more to put out a BEV battery fire? One test case did the job with 2000 gallons. Another said 4000 liters (less than 2000 gallons). Of course if you continue to pour water for an hour or more, you can "use" thousands of gallons. But if you use a "mist" to keep it cool, much less water is needed.

Yes, it does take 6000 or more. Rough estimates for averages are between 20,000 and 40,000 gallons.

And yes, that's how you fight fires. You put the wet stuff on the red stuff as we say. The more wet stuff you put on the red stuff the safer it is. "Misting" a several thousand degree EV fire does absolutely nothing except give me a steam burn, so that's a non-starter.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Here's what they're having to do in Europe due to these disastrous vehicles:

"In the Netherlands, firefighters use tow trucks to transport large shipping containers to the site of EV accidents where a battery has been compromised. The box is filled with water, and a small crane lifts the vehicle and lowers it into the bath, where it can be safely taken away to an impound. This strategy is becoming more common across Europe, where many fire departments have already converted their ladder trucks into small cranes to help them deal with train derailments, said Wilson, who recently spoke at an EV conference in the Netherlands."

Now how many Volunteer Departments in the U.S (Which is 70% of ALL U.S Firefighting Departments) are going to be able to afford a custom "lift" truck and a container to dunk EVs in?

The answer is close to 0. Mine certainly can't nor can any one my neighboring departments.

 

[canadyjd]

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Does it really take 6000 gallons or more to put out a BEV battery fire? One test case did the job with 2000 gallons. Another said 4000 liters (less than 2000 gallons). Of course if you continue to pour water for an hour or more, you can "use" thousands of gallons. But if you use a "mist" to keep it cool, much less water is needed……

ROTFL….. A MIST????? Has anyone every seen a firetruck spraying a MIST????

Car batteries have enormous concentrations of heavy metals and other poisons that go into the air when they burn or are washed into the sewers.

Children are dying from exposure to this poison cloud every time these batteries spontaneously explode.

And since fossil fuel vehicles outnumber electric cars by about 1000%, to have electric car batteries make up 8% of fires is a significant increase in the danger of car fires by electric vehicles.

Electric cars are death traps that pour pollution of heavy metals and other poisons into our environments and should be banned for the environmental and public safety.

peace to you

 

[Van]

Not a claim, a fact as per current Firefighter training from the NFPA. I've fought vehicle fires a few times and I will take gas fires any old day over electric.
NFPA Journal - Stranded Energy, January/February 2020

Yes, it does take 6000 or more. Rough estimates for averages are between 20,000 and 40,000 gallons.

And yes, that's how you fight fires. You put the wet stuff on the red stuff as we say. The more wet stuff you put on the red stuff the safer it is. "Misting" a several thousand degree EV fire does absolutely nothing except give me a steam burn, so that's a non-starter.

Eight times as many fossil fuel fires?
The estimates I found run less than 6000 gallons.
Misting is used for cooling all the time.

 

[Van]

ROTFL….. A MIST????? Has anyone every seen a firetruck spraying a MIST????

Car batteries have enormous concentrations of heavy metals and other poisons that go into the air when they burn or are washed into the sewers.

Children are dying from exposure to this poison cloud every time these batteries spontaneously explode.

And since fossil fuel vehicles outnumber electric cars by about 1000%, to have electric car batteries make up 8% of fires is a significant increase in the danger of car fires by electric vehicles.

Electric cars are death traps that pour pollution of heavy metals and other poisons into our environments and should be banned for the environmental and public safety.

peace to you

LOL, children are dying every time these batteries spontaneously explode?

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Eight times as many fossil fuel fires?
The estimates I found run less than 6000 gallons.
Misting is used for cooling all the time.

Our training standards for my Fire Department tell us to expect to use between 30,000 and 40,000 gallons of water if we attempt to extinguish it rather than letting it burn.

I've never seen "misting" used on a fire. The only time we use something like a mist is when we're using a wide fog setting to create a zone of low pressure like a water shield when advancing on a fire. These firefighters below are using a fog nozzle on a fog setting to advance on a propane blaze. And that's not for putting out the fire, that's to create a shield between the FF and the blaze.

Fog nozzles have 3 main settings - Straight Stream, Narrow Fog, Wide Fog. All of which use large amounts of water.

 

[canadyjd]

LOL, children are dying every time these batteries spontaneously explode?

My goodness man!!! How can you laugh at poor dying children, not to mention the tens of thousands hospitalized every time an electric car catches fire!!!

For the sake of the environment…. and the children all over the world we MUST stop using electric cars.

peace to you

 

[Van]

Our training standards for my Fire Department tell us to expect to use between 30,000 and 40,000 gallons of water if we attempt to extinguish it rather than letting it burn.

I've never seen "misting" used on a fire.
SNIP

"

• 1 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 6 m²
• 0.1 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 60 m²
• 0.01 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 600 m²

Conclusion: The characteristics of water mist allow efficient firefighting with minimal use of water: more heat is extracted from the source of the fire, the cooling effect has a positive effect on the direct ambient temperature, smoke and soot particles are bound and knocked down more quickly by the water mist."​

Bottom line, false claims are manufactured to disparage BEV's. See post #18 for another example!! Full Stop

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

"

• 1 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 6 m²
• 0.1 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 60 m²
• 0.01 mm diameter > heat absorption surface of 600 m²

Conclusion: The characteristics of water mist allow efficient firefighting with minimal use of water: more heat is extracted from the source of the fire, the cooling effect has a positive effect on the direct ambient temperature, smoke and soot particles are bound and knocked down more quickly by the water mist."​

Bottom line, false claims are manufactured to disparage BEV's. See post #18 for another example!! Full Stop

Doesn't work in the real world. Might work in some scientists Laboratory.

Not in real life.