Featured Catholic tradition, not the Bible, teaches a change to Sundaykeeping.

Wow! If my memory serves me right it was "Dr. Walter" back then. Oh how I wanted to respond to you, but BB would not let me join at that time. Yes, I have read your testimony and sometimes we just don't know where we will end up. As you say, it was the early Christian church and especially the ECF' s which certainly had a different theology than our Baptist friends of today.

 

Does Thinkingstuff still post here?

I was searching some old threads and came across one entitled, "Could Mary have said No?" and I was impressed with his posts. (He was exactly right in that thread.)

God bless.

 

Like I have written previously...

Other than believing in baptismal regeneration, the Eucharist as the actual body and blood of Christ, the efficacy of the Sacraments, the ordained episcopate, priesthood and diaconate, the practice of celibacy and clerical continence, having a liturgy focused on the Eucharistic sacrifice, Apostolic succession as necessary to safeguard the faith and valid Sacraments, the authority of the Church and the bishop of Rome as the authority over the Church universal, I suppose you could say the early Church looked like and believed as Baptist churches of today do.

 

Before he made the switch for the worse?

 

Except that their theology was baptist, no where near that of Church of Rome! No papacy, no mary worship, no mass, no extra biblical books!

 

You do know that the Catholic as in Universal Church in Acts practiced none of those things, and neither did Christianity until Roman Cathlic Papacy arrive 600 years later, and up until then pretty much was all eastern church, nott Rome?

 

Most hold to the true Gospel!

 

The first Christians were Jews, and still kept meeting in Temple on Sabbath, but when Judaism kicked them out, early on, Apostles changed to meeting on Lords day, Sunday!

 

Documents from the end of first century, and the writings of all ECF of second century show Sunday was established as new Day of Lord by Apostles themselves!

 

You do indeed use man's ideas and philosophy, or in your case a certain woman's ideas and philosophy. Her writings are considered SDA documents by you folks, are they not? Perhaps you should stop being less than truthful with you statements.

 

If all the world rested on Sunday, and Monday is the first work day. Seventh Day Adventist only work 5 days, along with the world. The command says: Exodus 20:8-9

8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work,

This version says Remember the Sabbath.
It also says, Thou shalt labor 6 days. To keep this Commandment, starting on Monday and working 6 days, one would have to Remember the Sabbath on Sunday.

The Romans used to have 8 day weeks. God’s week was Sunday to Sunday. On the Sabbath God rested. Sunday was lost on humanity, and the Egyptians had 10 day weeks. Today Monday is the first day of the week. It was not just the RCC church. Even in the Entry of Jesus on passover week, it started on a Sunday and ended on a Sunday. The Roman traditional 8 day week. And Monday through Saturday was the days to work. That Romans allowed Jews their Sabbath is not relative.

To obey the 4th Commandment one has to work 6 days, and resting on the 7th, would be Sunday, literally. Both the Jews and the church blessed the Gentiles by shortening the work week to 5 days, allowing 2 days of rest. In the last 100 years, Satan's demands of labor and economy, has forced us past even the 6 day punishment, causing us to work 7 days a week, sometimes 10 to 12 days in a row. We warn against the mark/curse of labor, while letting Satan force us to actually work more than God ever required.

Covid19 brought a drastic halt to labor. Even cleaned up tons of man made pollution, which men would never have cleaned up on their own. Work, work, work, why are we like Martha, always demanding work upon ourselves?

 

or as Ellen White did, as she wrote and stated MANY wrongs things!

 

I applaud you looking to the ECF's to validate Sunday worship for the Christian. Now you also need to heed their words when it comes to the One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church and orthodox Christian teachings and beliefs. They are as correct on the sacraments, the Apostolic Succession, and the head Bishop of the church being based in Rome as they are on Sunday worship.

 

Nice post. It reminds me of people who accuse others of making graven images if they have a statue of Jesus, Mary or the saints, all while having an image of themselves or some other likeness as their avatar, a painting of birds or a picture of their family hanging on their walls, etc. Like Exodus 20:8-9 which you cited where they conveniently leave off the laboring six days part of the command, similarly, these same folks almost always leave off the entire command with graven images...

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." (Exodus 20:4)

Or from Deuteronomy...

"And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, the likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth." (Deuteronomy 4:13-18)

 

The Apostle themselves changed the day of worship, not Rome, as there were no Popes nor bishops as Rome sees them until much later on!