Catholic tradition, not the Bible, teaches a change to Sundaykeeping.

[Adonia]

Unsaved Jews kept the ot.sabbath
Paul went there to reach them

Now that makes perfect sense. Go to the place where the people you want to reach are.

 

[Hobie]

The ten Commandments are still in effect.
We keep the Lords day now, not the ot. sabbath. We are part of the new exodus, not the old one.

Read your Bible and see which day the Bible say is the Lords day.

 

[Hobie]

History is great, Hobie. It can be very instructive and inspiring and we should study it.

But the bottom line is that our doctrine is to be based on scripture, and not on history.

Need to look a little more to see what its based on...

The retention of the old pagan name, 'Dies Solis' [day of the Sun] or 'Sunday' for the weekly Christian festival, is, in great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment, with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, Pagan and Christian alike, as the venerable day of the sun' . . . It was his mode of harmonizing the discordant religions of the empire under one common institution." --Dean Stanley [Episcopalian leader], Lectures on the Eastern Church, Lecture 6, p. 184.

"Constantine labored at this time untiringly to unite the worshipers of the old [pagan] and the new [Christian] faith in one religion. All his laws and contrivances are aimed at promoting this amalgamation [combining] of religions. He would by all lawful and peaceable means melt together a purified heathen ism and a moderated [compromising] Christianity . . . Of all his blending and melting together of Christianity and heathenism none is more easy to see through than this making of his Sunday law. The Christians worshiped their Christ, the heathen their sun-god; according to the opinion of the Emperor, the objects for worship in both religions being the same [the worship of a divine person on a select day of the week]."--H. G. Heggtveit, Illustreret Kirkehistorie, 1895, p. 202. [Hallvard Heggtveit (1850-1924) was a Norwegian church historian and teacher].


It was the Roman Imperial plan on several occasions, to unite all religions of the Empire into one religion--sun-worship: "The Jewish, the Samaritan, even the Christian, were to be fused and recast into one great system, of which the sun was to be the central object of adoration."--Henry Hart Milman, The History of Christianity, bk. 2, chap. 8 (Vol. II, p. 175). [Dr. Milman (1791-1868) was an important historian of England and dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London].


When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)

 

[Adonia]

Need to look a little more to see what its based on...

The retention of the old pagan name, 'Dies Solis' [day of the Sun] or 'Sunday' for the weekly Christian festival, is, in great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment, with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, Pagan and Christian alike, as the venerable day of the sun' . . . It was his mode of harmonizing the discordant religions of the empire under one common institution." --Dean Stanley [Episcopalian leader], Lectures on the Eastern Church, Lecture 6, p. 184.

"Constantine labored at this time untiringly to unite the worshipers of the old [pagan] and the new [Christian] faith in one religion. All his laws and contrivances are aimed at promoting this amalgamation [combining] of religions. He would by all lawful and peaceable means melt together a purified heathen ism and a moderated [compromising] Christianity . . . Of all his blending and melting together of Christianity and heathenism none is more easy to see through than this making of his Sunday law. The Christians worshiped their Christ, the heathen their sun-god; according to the opinion of the Emperor, the objects for worship in both religions being the same [the worship of a divine person on a select day of the week]."--H. G. Heggtveit, Illustreret Kirkehistorie, 1895, p. 202. [Hallvard Heggtveit (1850-1924) was a Norwegian church historian and teacher].


It was the Roman Imperial plan on several occasions, to unite all religions of the Empire into one religion--sun-worship: "The Jewish, the Samaritan, even the Christian, were to be fused and recast into one great system, of which the sun was to be the central object of adoration."--Henry Hart Milman, The History of Christianity, bk. 2, chap. 8 (Vol. II, p. 175). [Dr. Milman (1791-1868) was an important historian of England and dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London].


When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)

All hail the prophetess Ellen White!

 

[Yeshua1]

Well one is given by God as the Sabbath that He made for man, and made holy and blessed, and the other is the first day of the week, so yes, I would agree.

Sunday is the Day when Lord Jesus arose and there was a new age ushered in so now observed!

 

[Yeshua1]

You continue to spout as much nonsense as the poster named a Protestant. If you were correct, than the successors of the Apostles would have taken up their supposed Baptist mantle and the newly forming Christian church would have developed with a Baptist theological outlook, BUT IT DIDNT AND THE HISTORICAL RECORD PROVES OTHERWISE.

The early leaders of the new Christian Church post the Apostles were Roman Catholic in outlook and belief's. There was not a Baptist thought amongst the Early Church Fathers and the Christian church at large.

You need to sit down with yourself and accept the truth that the Baptist theology did not come about until one man named John Smythe thought it up in the 17th century. He himself was a renegade from mainline Protestantism, a former Anglican priest. The truth will set you free!

We hold tgo scriptures alone, so by that the earliest Christians would not even have known of the heresies brought in under Rome later on!

 

[Yeshua1]

I almost fell out of my chair when I first discovered that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

Tells you that Ellen White was elevated in teachings above even Jesus Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

I think everyone agrees the Commandments are still valid and what shows sin, except for one. So you have to ask yourself on whose authority was that one changed...

The One who rose from the grave!

 

[Yeshua1]

If you study your Bible, you will find this compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

What happened next can only be the "Great Apostasy" as we read from Wikipedia. "
The Great Apostasy is a term used by some religious groups to describe the perceived fallen state of traditional Christianity, especially the Roman Catholic Church, because they claim it allowed traditional Greco-Roman culture (i.e.Greco-Roman mysteries, deities of solar monism such as Mithras and Sol Invictus, pagan festivals and Mithraic sun worship and idol worship) into the church. That it is not representative of the faith founded by Jesus and promulgated through his twelve Apostles: in short, in their opinion, the church has fallen into apostasy.[1][2] They feel that to attract the pagans to nominal Christianity, the Catholic Church took measures to amalgamate the Christian and pagan festivals so pagans would join the church;[3] for example, bringing in the pagan festival of Easter as a substitute for the Pasch or Passover, although neither Jesus nor his Apostles enjoined the keeping of this or any other festival.[4][5]

They consider the Papacy to be in full-blown apostasy for allowing pagan rituals, the worship of Mary and idols[6], and pagan beliefs and ceremonies to come into the church, having those who pointed out its apostasy persecuted and killed and never repenting of or fully admitting the true extent of its actions.[7][8][9][10]"

Many pagans worshiped the sun and other pagan gods as they thought that their sun gods and fertility goddesses died at the winter solstice and came back to life at the spring equinox. Baal worship is sun worship, and Ashtoreth / Ishtar / Astarte is the queen of heaven. These pagan gods had spread through Egyptian/Greek influence and spread throughout the known Roman world.

Note what it says in Judges:
"Judges 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth."

Man of Sin is final Antichrist, and not arrived yet!

 

[Yeshua1]

Seriously, have SDAs ever contemplated that their stance on the Sabbath condemns the Apostles and all of the early church to hell for what they believe.

Yes, the Apostles would be condemned to hell

Ellen White teachings to Sda trumped theirs!

 

[Yeshua1]

WHICH "god" ? The one of the Pharisees ?

The "god" who spoke to Joseph Smith and Adam and eve!

 

[Yeshua1]

Read your Bible and see which day the Bible say is the Lords day.

Under the OC or the NC though?

 

[Yeshua1]

The "man of sin" hasn't yet come. In the 1930s, the SDA cult thought it was Hitler, since the RCC had helped him to power, but that idea went south as the war progressed.

If the Sda just would admit EW was false prophetess, and was wrong about Hell, Sabbath, Investigative Judgement, soul; sleep, would become Baptists!

 

[robycop3]

If the Sda just would admit EW was false prophetess, and was wrong about Hell, Sabbath, Investigative Judgement, soul; sleep, would become Baptists!

Not to mention their false beliefs that Jesus is the archangel Michael, hell is not eternal, there are "steps" to being saved (as per EGW's stuff) & other garbage.

 

[rockytopva]

Christians met on the first day of the week since the earliest of days....

Early Christians always met on the First day (Sunday) and never kept the sabbath!

 

[Yeshua1]

Not to mention their false beliefs that Jesus is the archangel Michael, hell is not eternal, there are "steps" to being saved (as per EGW's stuff) & other garbage.

They are a really interesting Cult, for just like Rome, hold to Trinity, but have another and a false Gospel!

 

[Walpole]

If you don't like Catholic tradition, why do you rely on it to tell you what books of the New Testament are the actual inspired word of God?

 

[Hollow Man]

Need to look a little more to see what its based on...

The retention of the old pagan name, 'Dies Solis' [day of the Sun] or 'Sunday' for the weekly Christian festival, is, in great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment, with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, Pagan and Christian alike, as the venerable day of the sun' . . . It was his mode of harmonizing the discordant religions of the empire under one common institution." --Dean Stanley [Episcopalian leader], Lectures on the Eastern Church, Lecture 6, p. 184.

"Constantine labored at this time untiringly to unite the worshipers of the old [pagan] and the new [Christian] faith in one religion. All his laws and contrivances are aimed at promoting this amalgamation [combining] of religions. He would by all lawful and peaceable means melt together a purified heathen ism and a moderated [compromising] Christianity . . . Of all his blending and melting together of Christianity and heathenism none is more easy to see through than this making of his Sunday law. The Christians worshiped their Christ, the heathen their sun-god; according to the opinion of the Emperor, the objects for worship in both religions being the same [the worship of a divine person on a select day of the week]."--H. G. Heggtveit, Illustreret Kirkehistorie, 1895, p. 202. [Hallvard Heggtveit (1850-1924) was a Norwegian church historian and teacher].


It was the Roman Imperial plan on several occasions, to unite all religions of the Empire into one religion--sun-worship: "The Jewish, the Samaritan, even the Christian, were to be fused and recast into one great system, of which the sun was to be the central object of adoration."--Henry Hart Milman, The History of Christianity, bk. 2, chap. 8 (Vol. II, p. 175). [Dr. Milman (1791-1868) was an important historian of England and dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London].


When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)

And I would give the same response I gave before: that while history is instructive, it is not inspired nor authoritative and that we draw our doctrine from the authority of scripture, not from the opinions of other men.

If you're so insistent on following the law, then perhaps you should take Paul's advice to the Judaizers in Galatians and circumcizer yourself "all the way".

 

[robycop3]

If you don't like Catholic tradition, why do you rely on it to tell you what books of the New Testament are the actual inspired word of God?

Because even the RCC got some things right. While I'm not saying the RCC was pagan then, don't forget that God has used pagans to accomplidh His will. I believe the results of several of the RCC Councils were influenced by God, such as in their choice of canon. (Except the Apocrypha)

 

[robycop3]

Christians met on the first day of the week since the earliest of days....

Early Christians always met on the First day (Sunday) and never kept the sabbath!

Correct ! As many of the early Christians were Jews, they met on Sundays as Christians to avoid being accused of heretical Sabbath-breaking & executed by the Orthodox Jews. I am told most of those Christian jews still kept the sabbath also, obeying God's command to ISRAEL to observe it for ever.

Once more, Sportzz fanzz, there's NO command of GOD'S for GENTILES to observe the sabbath !