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[Salty]

Not required? How many times is the "laying on of hands" mentioned in the scriptures when it came to picking out another apostle or sending someone out to do the Lords work. That is not an ordination?

I never said it was???

When God calls and qualifies a man for the ministry, it will be apparent both to that man and to the rest of the church. The would-be minister will meet the qualifications set forth in 1 Timothy 3:1-16 and Titus 1:5-9, and he will possess a consuming desire to preach (1 Corinthians 9:16). It is the duty of the church elders, together with the congregation, to recognize and accept the calling. After that, a formal commissioning ceremony—an ordination service—is appropriate, though by no means mandatory. The ordination ceremony itself does not confer any special power; it simply gives public recognition to God’s choice of leadership. (bold - my emphasis) form this link

Another words - an ordination is simply a ceremony to announce- the calling of a man to full time service.

Normally, in Baptist circles - a church will invite minsters from sister churches to examine the candidate. This council of men will (only) recommend to that local church of their decision. That is the council could recommend to ordain, and the church could vote not to (extremly unlikely) or the council could recommend Not to ordain - yet the church could still vote to ordain the man. (not very likely) - but the norm is that the council would approve and the church does vote to approve.
The important thing to keep in mind is that in Baptist circles it is the local church that ordains - NOT a denomination.

 

[37818]

The scriptures never say that a celibate clergy is forbidden, so I do not understand how our Sola Scriptura friends came up with that one.

Two letters of the Apostle Paul. One to Tmothy and one to Titus.

 

[church mouse guy]

I do see your point there - - this comes under: Dog bites man - no news - man bites dog = news.
Yes, there have been many many cases of RCC priests being guilty of this
but we have to keep in mind that since the RCC is an extremly large organization
the ones who are guilty is a very small % of the total.
There are currently about 37,000 RCC priests. So, lets say 1,000 are guilty - that would be about 3%.
Granted, even one case is one to many-

Is that 1000 just a made up number? The problem is worldwide & Bergoglio has been accused of coverup both in Buenos Aires & Rome. Vigano said that he should resign for lying about McCarrick, who was never brought to justice (the cases may have expired due to statues of limitations--I don't know).

We see the same social justice movement inside the SBC so I am not singling out the RCC. Perhaps you recall the Jesuit teacher at exclusive Brebuf prep school in Indianapolis--he is a open homosexual in a homosexual marriage in a Jesuit private school for rich kids.

 

[Salty]

Is that 1000 just a made up number?

basically, yes -

We see the same social justice movement inside the SBC so I am not singling out the RCC. Perhaps you recall the Jesuit teacher at exclusive Brebuf prep school in Indianapolis--he is a open homosexual in a homosexual marriage in a Jesuit private school for rich kids.

Fully agree - the only difference - with the RCC assignments are made by the Bishops of the RCC
and with Baptist churches - "assignments" are made by the local church and the "denomination" has no say.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Is that 1000 just a made up number? The problem is worldwide & Bergoglio has been accused of coverup both in Buenos Aires & Rome. Vigano said that he should resign for lying about McCarrick, who was never brought to justice (the cases may have expired due to statues of limitations--I don't know).

We see the same social justice movement inside the SBC so I am not singling out the RCC. Perhaps you recall the Jesuit teacher at exclusive Brebuf prep school in Indianapolis--he is a open homosexual in a homosexual marriage in a Jesuit private school for rich kids.

Kick them out... don’t pay them... don’t tolerate that life style.

 

[Salty]

Kick them out... don’t pay them... don’t tolerate that life style.

The problem is that the Bishops and Arch bishops would just transfer them to another church - and keep it under wraps - and some of these go back decades. Now with FB and other media - its harder to keep it a secret. But on the other hand, each of the accused should be given his day in court. And if guilty -then jail

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The problem is that the Bishops and Arch bishops would just transfer them to another church - and keep it under wraps - and some of these go back decades. Now with FB and other media - its harder to keep it a secret. But on the other hand, each of the accused should be given his day in court. And if guilty -then jail

Seriously Salty, prison does not begin to met out the type of punishment..... a millstone and a body of water is a far better solution (deterrent).

 

[Salty]

Seriously Salty, prison does not begin to met out the type of punishment..... a millstone and a body of water is a far better solution (deterrent).

Thus the reason for our Constitution. Maybe Jail is too good - but by doing what you are suggesting does not make us any better than them.


NOTE: just added "not" in the last sentence

 

[Adonia]

Seriously Salty, prison does not begin to met out the type of punishment..... a millstone and a body of water is a far better solution (deterrent).

Child molesters do not fare well in prison, surely you have heard that. I think 20 to 30 years of pure hell would be worse than a quick death.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thus the reason for our Constitution. Maybe Jail is too good - but by doing what you are suggesting does that not make us any better than them.


NOTE: just added "not" in the last sentence

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Isn’t it scriptural?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Child molesters do not fare well in prison, surely you have heard that. I think 20 to 30 years of pure hell would be worse than a quick death.

I don’t really care to punish... I’d leave that to the lord to throw them in the endless lake of fire.... no I’m about ridding the world of predictors that prey on children.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don’t really care to punish... I’d leave that to the lord to throw them in the endless lake of fire.... no I’m about ridding the world of predictors that prey on children.

here is a caustic tale of a priest who is known as a predictor in NE Pennsylvania . In reading this know that he goes down in history as one of the most cunning and vile priests in the PA area. He literally hunted boys and coerced them. At 1st the community thought him a gentle good man, one who they trusted with their sons. He would ride up when we were playing hoops in the streets, stop his car and laughingly yell out, “you guys stink” and in full priestly collar and garb begin to play b-ball with the kids. What a wonderful experience interacting with their priest the moms thought, while their fathers were hard at work in the mines, the factories etc., this gentle priest was being a buddy to their boys! If they only knew.


http://www.bishop-accountability.or...08_14_PA_GJ_Priests_Scranton_11_Caparelli.pdf

 

[Timothy Jason]

I never said it was???

When God calls and qualifies a man for the ministry, it will be apparent both to that man and to the rest of the church. The would-be minister will meet the qualifications set forth in 1 Timothy 3:1-16 and Titus 1:5-9, and he will possess a consuming desire to preach (1 Corinthians 9:16). It is the duty of the church elders, together with the congregation, to recognize and accept the calling. After that, a formal commissioning ceremony—an ordination service—is appropriate, though by no means mandatory. The ordination ceremony itself does not confer any special power; it simply gives public recognition to God’s choice of leadership. (bold - my emphasis) form this link

Another words - an ordination is simply a ceremony to announce- the calling of a man to full time service.

Normally, in Baptist circles - a church will invite minsters from sister churches to examine the candidate. This council of men will (only) recommend to that local church of their decision. That is the council could recommend to ordain, and the church could vote not to (extremly unlikely) or the council could recommend Not to ordain - yet the church could still vote to ordain the man. (not very likely) - but the norm is that the council would approve and the church does vote to approve.
The important thing to keep in mind is that in Baptist circles it is the local church that ordains - NOT a denomination.

Sounds like the New Testament Church to me. What is the problem? It is scriptural, I like your answers Salty.

 

[Drifter]

Now if I didn’t go to mass each Sunday, then I couldn’t receive communion and thus not warrant the Grace necessary to go to heaven should I die then and there. Honestly I always disputed that as a kid and now as an adult. That Grace is “Freely Provided” by the Holy Spirit not metted out by the RCC for jumping the hoops of their system.

Well, there are certain people who say that certain other people (*cough* Armeninians *cough*) probably aren't saved because they don't adhere to their particular theological distinctives. In practice, there's a whole lot of hoop jumping to do, be it ritual or confessional, no matter where you end up.

 

[Adonia]

here is a caustic tale of a priest who is known as a predictor in NE Pennsylvania . In reading this know that he goes down in history as one of the most cunning and vile priests in the PA area. He literally hunted boys and coerced them. At 1st the community thought him a gentle good man, one who they trusted with their sons. He would ride up when we were playing hoops in the streets, stop his car and laughingly yell out, “you guys stink” and in full priestly collar and garb begin to play b-ball with the kids. What a wonderful experience interacting with their priest the moms thought, while their fathers were hard at work in the mines, the factories etc., this gentle priest was being a buddy to their boys! If they only knew.


http://www.bishop-accountability.or...08_14_PA_GJ_Priests_Scranton_11_Caparelli.pdf

Let me tell you about the Baptist minister here in Florida. A married man with children, the pillar of that particular Baptist church, was arrested in a sting by law enforcement as he arrived to meet the 12 year old boy with whom he was communicating on the internet for a little male "bonding" last year. Nice, huh?

Such stories abound in this country, Baptist ministers molesting not only little boys, but little girls as well and we cannot forget about their other sinful acts with adults of both sex's either. But oh, I guess they can all be excused and forgotten because it's only the Catholic clergymen and their sinful deeds that need to be shouted from the rooftops, right my friend?

 

[church mouse guy]

Let me tell you about the Baptist minister here in Florida. A married man with children, the pillar of that particular Baptist church, was arrested in a sting by law enforcement as he arrived to meet the 12 year old boy with whom he was communicating on the internet for a little male "bonding" last year. Nice, huh?

Such stories abound in this country, Baptist ministers molesting not only little boys, but little girls as well and we cannot forget about their other sinful acts with adults of both sex's either. But oh, I guess they can all be excused and forgotten because it's only the Catholic clergymen and their sinful deeds that need to be exposed, right my friend?

Actually the police need to be called right away no matter who, except the police are often corrupt and on one side or another.

Also, the RCC has a reputation for a lavender mafia but no one really knows how big it is worldwide.

Finally, being hierarchical, the RCC has a problem in Pope Francis who has allegations of coverup against him in Buenos Aires as well as Vigano's allegations of his lying about McCarrick, who has disappeared without ever facing the police for what he did to people. So the real problem that the RCC faces today is a leftist Pope akin to J.D. Greear of the SBC and whatever new guy the SBC elects this year if the new guy is another SJW. I think that the USA should break off forever diplomatic relations with The Vatican.

 

[Adonia]

Actually the police need to be called right away no matter who, except the police are often corrupt and on one side or another.

Also, the RCC has a reputation for a lavender mafia but no one really knows how big it is worldwide.

Finally, being hierarchical, the RCC has a problem in Pope Francis who has allegations of coverup against him in Buenos Aires as well as Vigano's allegations of his lying about McCarrick, who has disappeared without ever facing the police for what he did to people. So the real problem that the RCC faces today is a leftist Pope akin to J.D. Greear of the SBC and whatever new guy the SBC elects this year if the new guy is another SJW. I think that the USA should break off forever diplomatic relations with The Vatican.

The press always plays up these things when done by any Catholic clergyman, while not even reporting serious crimes done by clergymen of other faith traditions. Hey, in other news, did you hear that Cardinal Pell from Australia was cleared of all charges by their Supreme Court in a unanimous decision?

 

[church mouse guy]

The press always plays up these things when done by any Catholic clergyman, while not even reporting serious crimes done by clergymen of other faith traditions. Hey, in other news, did you hear that Cardinal Pell from Australia was cleared of all charges by their Supreme Court in a unanimous decision?

Yes, I read about it and have been following the story for a long time. There was no evidence against him.

As for the press thing, I don't know. McCarrick drew a lot of attention. But when you have 14 different states going through the motions of an investigation, it attracts attention. I don't believe that anything is going to change in the RCC because the Pope has to allow changes. This Pope hangs out with Soros, Sachs, Sanders, Ban Ti-Moon, and Bono. He controls the College of Cardinals because no one over 80 can vote again and he has appointed the majority--guys like him.

There's something going on in the bank that got Pell in trouble and helped force Benedict out. People such as Michael Voris say that The Vatican is controlled by gays.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Let me tell you about the Baptist minister here in Florida. A married man with children, the pillar of that particular Baptist church, was arrested in a sting by law enforcement as he arrived to meet the 12 year old boy with whom he was communicating on the internet for a little male "bonding" last year. Nice, huh?

Such stories abound in this country, Baptist ministers molesting not only little boys, but little girls as well and we cannot forget about their other sinful acts with adults of both sex's either. But oh, I guess they can all be excused and forgotten because it's only the Catholic clergymen and their sinful deeds that need to be shouted from the rooftops, right my friend?

Well you would be guessing wrong. Anyone and I mean anyone who hurts a little one should have a millstone tied around his neck and tossed into the sea.