Catholics please share how you feel….

[Silverhair]

Well, we see all the Bible alone privately interpreted traditions as the traditions of men. All human founded traditions founded on “ what do the words mean to me “.

Each with all the novel and strange interpretations and doctrines that have been fabricated from private opinions.

There are more extinct privately interpreted traditions of men as well.

So you just admit that the traditions found in the RCC are man made, that is what I have been saying to you and you have been denying. All those traditions that the group of men in your RCC and your pope have introduced that are not biblical but are just man made traditions with no bases in scripture. As you said regarding the RCC traditions they are just novel and strange interpretations and doctrines that have been fabricated from private opinions.

If you have clear scriptural support I am sure you would have provided it by now.

 

[Cathode]

So you just admit that the traditions found in the RCC are man made, that is what I have been saying to you and you have been denying. All those traditions that the group of men in your RCC and your pope have introduced that are not biblical but are just man made traditions with no bases in scripture. As you said regarding the RCC traditions they are just novel and strange interpretations and doctrines that have been fabricated from private opinions.

If you have clear scriptural support I am sure you would have provided it by now.

Private interpreters are immune to the truth of Scripture, they have made an idol of their human opinions and burn incense unto it.

The idol of “ what the words mean to me “.

 

[Mikey]

The problem I have is, I know Purgatory exists. So people telling me their personal opinions of scripture, to proof text it doesn’t is ridiculous.

Unless it is given by Grace, people have to find out by experience,

It’s normal now for private interpreters of scripture, to interpret what they think and feel, and what they think and feel is what is true to them.
The highest level of truth they will ever have is their own opinion.

It makes people immune to the true meaning of Scripture, yet makes them think they are following scripture.

You keep talking about private interpretations and how personal opinions are their highest level. But then you talk about your private personal experience. it appears that your private experience has become your highest authority and overrules scripture.

 

[Cathode]

You keep talking about private interpretations and how personal opinions are their highest level. But then you talk about your private personal experience. it appears that your private experience has become your highest authority and overrules scripture.

I was taught by scripture and Apostolic Tradition together and believed it. But when it is confirmed by spiritual experience for me, it went from faith to confirmed knowledge.

Same thing happened when visiting a friend. I walked in and saw his baby son shining in an incredible light that was God’s light, with this familiar joyfulness surrounding him. That joyfulness I had experienced before when the catechumens are baptised, though I never saw that light.
I held my tongue because his wife was totally against anything religious and he was secretly converting to Jesus. She later divorced him for becoming Christian, total nother story, just say he suffered for Jesus from the start really.

My friend had forgotten to get something from the shop and I said I’ll go with. When we got into the car, I asked him when his son got baptised, he is shining like he was baptised or something.
My friend looked at me totally shocked, and asked how the hell I knew he was baptised.
I told him I just saw it, it was like the light and joy of heaven was blasting out of him.

He told me he, when his wife wasn’t looking, baptised his son in the bathroom just before I came by. He had been thinking about it for a while.

It confirmed his faith and mine.

I had been praying and fasting for years for this bloke that had died, he was a customer I made friends with, and I was very tired one night and didn’t want say the prayers, but kept going anyway.
Then I saw this angel looking at me, he bowed slightly and went down into a fog and smoke and there was an open area of fire. He went into the fire feet first and lifted a man from it and went up through the smoke and fog then above it. The man was shining like the baptised baby.
Jesus came down and held him and they went straight up into the light.

Then I was back kneeling in my room.

I see why Jesus loves us when we shine like that, it’s Jesus light, it’s beautiful beyond beautiful.

These things were confirmations for me, no one has to believe it, but I know by experience, what I formerly believed by Faith.

Generally I try to ignore experience and I am totally convinced that believing in pure Faith is far better. Far better to believe, and not have seen.
But these things are out of our hands, and we just accept it for God’s greater glory, He does things for a reason, just go with it and praise Him even more I reckon.
Surrendering to Jesus about things and leaving it totally in His Hands is far more powerful than urgent prayers in worry, worry is is antifaith and He doesn’t like it.

 

[canadyjd]

Well, I believe in Purgatory. “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die.

I will be clothed in the righteousness of my Lord Jesus. I need no further “purification”.

Essentially, the doctrine of purgatory makes the blood of our Lord Jesus not good enough to cleanse us…. We have to get an extra dose of purification.

Oh, and if you give money to the Catholic Church… THAT is what will impress God to take a few million years off purgatory.

The entire doctrine was pushed to make the church money, as if folks could buy their way into heaven.

This is one reason why all doctrine must be based on scripture alone. Otherwise, you get these made doctrines that make mockery of our Lord Jesus from very corrupt men claiming to speak for Jesus Himself.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Thanks to all that posted, especially Catholics.

peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

Private interpreters are immune to the truth of Scripture, they have made an idol of their human opinions and burn incense unto it.

The idol of “ what the words mean to me “.

So why do you trust the RCC's traditions. Why do you trust what some man tells you the bible means rather than trust the Holy Spirit. You keep telling us that you are incapable of understanding the English language so why should anyone be concerned about what you say.

All you do is parrot what comes out of the RCC, No independent thought. But God commended those in Berea for searching the word.
Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The RCC has told you to only trust what they say and you have foolishly believed them so they have control over you. You have made an idol of the RCC.

Those of us that take the time to read the bible trust what the bible says. You have shown that you do not trust scripture as written but rather what you are told by the RCC that the text means. It is really sad that you and @Walter have fallen for the lie that you can not understand the bible by yourself.

 

[Cathode]

So why do you trust the RCC's traditions. Why do you trust what some man tells you the bible means rather than trust the Holy Spirit. You keep telling us that you are incapable of understanding the English language so why should anyone be concerned about what you say.

All you do is parrot what comes out of the RCC, No independent thought. But God commended those in Berea for searching the word.
Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The RCC has told you to only trust what they say and you have foolishly believed them so they have control over you. You have made an idol of the RCC.

Those of us that take the time to read the bible trust what the bible says. You have shown that you do not trust scripture as written but rather what you are told by the RCC that the text means. It is really sad that you and @Walter have fallen for the lie that you can not understand the bible by yourself.

I am not a Catholic apologist, if a Catholic apologist was allowed on here you could attack all you liked justifiably. But I reckon you wouldn’t be attacking an apologist as eagerly, I think you are just practicing on a bloke for your own sport. It’s not sport for me, it’s my faith mate.

 

[Silverhair]

I am not a Catholic apologist, if a Catholic apologist was allowed on here you could attack all you liked justifiably. But I reckon you wouldn’t be attacking an apologist as eagerly, I think you are just practicing on a bloke for your own sport. It’s not sport for me, it’s my faith mate.

I have just been pointing out the errors of the RCC that you follow. Do some research into the history. You seem to be just following blindly along. We are speaking of your eternal future here.

It does not matter what 1.3 billion people think, it matters what you think. Salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Christ Jesus. The RCC has convinced you that you must jump through the hoops that they have made. Trust what the Holy Spirit says not some group of self serving men. You do not send money to the name it and claim it crowd because they twist scripture and take it out of context. So why do you follow the RCC when they do the same thing.

You have this boogeyman, Luther, or think all non RCC read the bible with the "what does it mean to me" approach. Most Christians read the bible with a "what does the bible mean" approach. Most are not looking for a hidden meaning in the text but rather just the truth. You make a great error when you take verses out of context or change the meaning of words to suit your theology.

You are fully capable of reading and understanding the truth of scripture. Trust in the guidance of the Holy Spirit as you read and study His word. Be a Berean and not a sheep that just follows along to your destruction.

How many times have you in this thread pointed back to what the RCC has told you to believe in denial of what the clear text of scripture tells you? You are holding the word of the RCC as superior to the Word of God. If that were not true than you would be able to provide clear scriptural support for "Mary worship, transubstantiation, prugatory, papal infallibility, works salvation, confession to priests" but you can not as they are man made ideas brought into the RCC by men.

I even gave you a list of dates when the RCC did this.
451 Baptism regenerates
500 Sacrifice of the Mass
1190 Indulgences
1215 Transubstantiation
1438 Purgatory
1545 Tradition equal to Bible
1854 Immaculate conception of mary
1870 Papal infallibility
1950 Assumption of mary

@Cathode I know you are sincere in your faith but you have placed your faith in the wrong thing, the RCC. Cling to the Lord Christ Jesus and Him only.

 

[pythons]

….. about the Vatican allowing same-s:x couples to be blessed by priests?

1. Does this mean God is blessing these relationships?

2. Will this lead to the Catholic Church recognizing same s:x marriage?

3. If you opposed this in the past, will you change your mind and conform to the teaching of your Pope?

peace to you

Catholic here,

The "Blessing", if it's given, must be OUTSIDE a venue supporting same sex buggery.

Homosexual acts are a sin and there is nothing any Bishop (even of Rome) can do about it.

I remind myself that just because same sex attraction isn't my sin that doesn't mean that my own sins are better than your traditional foppish buggerite / sodomite. We are all sinners here.

The document pertaining to this could have been better written by an apprentice Plumber. The Pope isn't condoning same sex buggery here but the way the document was written caused many to disapprove of it. Myself, I like little this Pope has done.

 

[canadyjd]

Catholic here,

The "Blessing", if it's given, must be OUTSIDE a venue supporting same sex buggery.

Homosexual acts are a sin and there is nothing any Bishop (even of Rome) can do about it.

I remind myself that just because same sex attraction isn't my sin that doesn't mean that my own sins are better than your traditional foppish buggerite / sodomite. We are all sinners here.

The document pertaining to this could have been better written by an apprentice Plumber. The Pope isn't condoning same sex buggery here but the way the document was written caused many to disapprove of it. Myself, I like little this Pope has done.

Thanks for the comment.

Whatever the venue, if a priest blesses a couple (same s:x or otherwise) is it the position of the church that God is blessing that couple?

Concerning how the document was written, surely you understand it was intentionally written that way, right?

This is, imo, a deliberate move by the Pope to bring the church one step closer to recognizing same s:x marriage.

I am heartened that many Catholics are refusing to accept it.

Peace to you

 

[Mikoo]

There is a lot in a few words. Like “ this is my Body “, the truth can be won or lost by misunderstanding them.
That’s why private interpretation is so dangerous.

Exactly what you have done and accuse others (private interpretation) of when you believe the rc denomination's interpretation of God's Word.

 

[Cathode]

Exactly what you have done and accuse others (private interpretation) of when you believe the rc denomination's interpretation of God's Word.

Catholics are not allowed to privately interpret scripture, it’s a 2000 year prohibition.
We can only follow the interpretation of Scripture that the Apostles had. The Apostles understanding of Scripture from the beginning.

Private interpretation is the core belief of the Protestant revolution, with Scripture alone. Luther innovated the idea and made it central.

Me my Bible and my opinion, and tens of thousands of conflicting interpretations and the new phenomenon of denominations was born, each thinking they have the true interpretation of Scripture. Truth gone, opinion King.

Under Catholicism Scripture has one singular meaning handed down from the Apostles. Under “ Bible alone. “ Protestantism Scripture is subjective, can mean anything each reader wants it to mean.

I spoke to bloke who said he was “ Bible alone “ denominational, he told me also that he liked sleeping around with women, cheating on his wife.

I warned him about it, even from scripture. His interpretation was the only thing that mattered, he said he was saved no matter what he did.

He totally believed he was right with Scripture and right with God, would not endure sound doctrine.

All the private interpreters from Luther on think they have the correct interpretation of the Bible, none will listen to the ancient sound doctrine the Apostles handed down.

Try to warn them from Scripture and they laugh at it, interpreting their own understanding.
They demand Scripture proof, then you give it to them, then they interpret their own meaning to the scriptures.

They are immune to Truth, they prefer their opinion over Truth.

So the guy cheating on his wife, thinks he is following the Bible, yet he is compounding his mortal sins, guilt and judgment.

There is no final arbiter of Scriptures interpretation in Bible alone Protestantism, it all comes down to “ What do the words mean to me “. It’s all subjective.

Try to warn people about Purgatory, they don’t listen, you can’t impart sound doctrine to people who think they can interpret what they want from Scripture.

That’s why private interpretation is so dangerous and I call it Satan’s perfect snare, it’s invisible to the private interpreter, and it locks tight giving each the full impression they are following scripture, and they aren’t.

 

[Cathode]

So why do you trust the RCC's traditions. Why do you trust what some man tells you the bible means rather than trust the Holy Spirit. You keep telling us that you are incapable of understanding the English language so why should anyone be concerned about what you say.

Ironically, Bible aloners are the ones that trust man to explain what the Bible means, starting with Luther, Calvin and hosts of others, all conflictedly interpreting the Bible. These are traditions of men, but these all birthed the church of the individual, guys who reject all these human founded traditions and interpret their own beliefs.

Apostolic Tradition is the teaching of The Holy Spirit, preached by the Apostles by the power of The Holy Spirit.

All you do is parrot what comes out of the RCC, No independent thought. But God commended those in Berea for searching the word.
Act 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The Bereans weren’t scripture alone. What Paul was preaching to them was New Testament Apostolic Tradition, The Bereans weren’t comparing Paul’s words with the written Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, these did not exist then. All they had was the OT.

The Bereans received the Gospel preached, which proves “ Scripture alone “ false.

 

[Silverhair]

Ironically, Bible aloners are the ones that trust man to explain what the Bible means, starting with Luther, Calvin and hosts of others, all conflictedly interpreting the Bible. These are traditions of men, but these all birthed the church of the individual, guys who reject all these human founded traditions and interpret their own beliefs.

Apostolic Tradition is the teaching of The Holy Spirit, preached by the Apostles by the power of The Holy Spirit.



The Bereans weren’t scripture alone. What Paul was preaching to them was New Testament Apostolic Tradition, The Bereans weren’t comparing Paul’s words with the written Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, these did not exist then. All they had was the OT.

The Bereans received the Gospel preached, which proves “ Scripture alone “ false.

Actually you are wrong on how I understand the bible. The bible is not a complicated book. The truths of the bible can be understood by a child. But it seems that you do not think you have the ability to understand the word of God. Why is that? Are you afraid that if you actually study the scriptures that it will show you the errors of your theology?

For an institution that claims to follow the bible the RCC has sure changed it a lot. They have added many non-biblical ideas to it and you just accept them because some priest told you they were biblical.

But did you notice that the Bereans actually studied the bible {OT} to see if what they had been told was actually true. Do you not think you should do the same?

You keep saying Apostolic Tradition but that is just something that the RCC has told you. Have you even looked at how why the RCC added all those errant doctrines? I doubt it?

I do find to amusing that you will follow what some man {your priest} tells you the apostles said but you will not follow what we have written down that you can read for yourself. In that respect you are no different than the ones that believe the name it and claim it preachers. They trust some man to tell them what to believe rather that actually trusting the Holy Spirit inspired word of God.

 

[Mikoo]

Catholics are not allowed to privately interpret scripture, it’s a 2000 year prohibition.
We can only follow the interpretation of Scripture that the Apostles had. The Apostles understanding of Scripture from the beginning.

Private interpretation is the core belief of the Protestant revolution, with Scripture alone. Luther innovated the idea and made it central.

Me my Bible and my opinion, and tens of thousands of conflicting interpretations and the new phenomenon of denominations was born, each thinking they have the true interpretation of Scripture. Truth gone, opinion King.

Under Catholicism Scripture has one singular meaning handed down from the Apostles. Under “ Bible alone. “ Protestantism Scripture is subjective, can mean anything each reader wants it to mean.

I spoke to bloke who said he was “ Bible alone “ denominational, he told me also that he liked sleeping around with women, cheating on his wife.

I warned him about it, even from scripture. His interpretation was the only thing that mattered, he said he was saved no matter what he did.

He totally believed he was right with Scripture and right with God, would not endure sound doctrine.

All the private interpreters from Luther on think they have the correct interpretation of the Bible, none will listen to the ancient sound doctrine the Apostles handed down.

Try to warn them from Scripture and they laugh at it, interpreting their own understanding.
They demand Scripture proof, then you give it to them, then they interpret their own meaning to the scriptures.

They are immune to Truth, they prefer their opinion over Truth.

So the guy cheating on his wife, thinks he is following the Bible, yet he is compounding his mortal sins, guilt and judgment.

There is no final arbiter of Scriptures interpretation in Bible alone Protestantism, it all comes down to “ What do the words mean to me “. It’s all subjective.

Try to warn people about Purgatory, they don’t listen, you can’t impart sound doctrine to people who think they can interpret what they want from Scripture.

That’s why private interpretation is so dangerous and I call it Satan’s perfect snare, it’s invisible to the private interpreter, and it locks tight giving each the full impression they are following scripture, and they aren’t.

You absolutely somewhere along the line made a personal interpretation of the Word of God (at least certain verses) to agree with rc denomination that they are who they claim to be.

 

[canadyjd]

Catholics are not allowed to privately interpret scripture, it’s a 2000 year prohibition.
We can only follow the interpretation of Scripture that the Apostles had. The Apostles understanding of Scripture from the beginning.

Private interpretation is the core belief of the Protestant revolution, with Scripture alone. Luther innovated the idea and made it central.

Me my Bible and my opinion, and tens of thousands of conflicting interpretations and the new phenomenon of denominations was born, each thinking they have the true interpretation of Scripture. Truth gone, opinion King.

Under Catholicism Scripture has one singular meaning handed down from the Apostles. Under “ Bible alone. “ Protestantism Scripture is subjective, can mean anything each reader wants it to mean.

I spoke to bloke who said he was “ Bible alone “ denominational, he told me also that he liked sleeping around with women, cheating on his wife.

I warned him about it, even from scripture. His interpretation was the only thing that mattered, he said he was saved no matter what he did.

He totally believed he was right with Scripture and right with God, would not endure sound doctrine.

All the private interpreters from Luther on think they have the correct interpretation of the Bible, none will listen to the ancient sound doctrine the Apostles handed down.

Try to warn them from Scripture and they laugh at it, interpreting their own understanding.
They demand Scripture proof, then you give it to them, then they interpret their own meaning to the scriptures.

They are immune to Truth, they prefer their opinion over Truth.

So the guy cheating on his wife, thinks he is following the Bible, yet he is compounding his mortal sins, guilt and judgment.

There is no final arbiter of Scriptures interpretation in Bible alone Protestantism, it all comes down to “ What do the words mean to me “. It’s all subjective.

Try to warn people about Purgatory, they don’t listen, you can’t impart sound doctrine to people who think they can interpret what they want from Scripture.

That’s why private interpretation is so dangerous and I call it Satan’s perfect snare, it’s invisible to the private interpreter, and it locks tight giving each the full impression they are following scripture, and they aren’t.

Utter Catholic nonsense!! The “Catholic tradition” is anti scriptural dogma that rejects the teaching of Jesus, Paul, Peter and the rest.

The “Catholic tradition” is a political movement designed to control people with false promises of forgiveness and false threats of punishment.

The Catholic priest Luther recognized the scriptural truth of salvation by grace alone.

THAT is the core belief of Protestantism.

If you believed in scripture alone for your source of authority, you would have no problem recognizing this Pope’s announcement that priests can bless same s:x couples is a lie straight from the mouth of Satan.

Instead, I see twisting and turning and straining to offer excuses for why it doesn’t mean exactly what anyone with an IQ above room temperature recognizes to be true.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Thanks to everyone who posted. It is, I think, an important discussion.

peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

@Cathode I gave you a list of doctrines that the RCC has introduced into your theology. Look at the dates. None of these could have come from the apostles could they or are you saying that your popes speak to the dead so they keep learning of these now apostolic traditions. These are all man man doctrines / traditions that a group of men though would be a good idea to impose on the RCC.

Which one of these are biblical? NONE.
451 Baptism regenerates
500 Sacrifice of the Mass
1190 Indulgences
1215 Transubstantiation
1438 Purgatory
1545 Tradition equal to Bible
1854 Immaculate conception of mary
1870 Papal infallibility
1950 Assumption of mary

Why do they keep coming up with a new one every few 100 yrs? Cathode you need to start trusting scripture not the RCC or the pope to tell you what the bible says.

 

[Cathode]

@Cathode

Why do they keep coming up with a new one every few 100 yrs? Cathode you need to start trusting scripture not the RCC or the pope to tell you what the bible says.

Protestantism comes up with new interpretation and doctrine every second, each time someone picks up the bible and interprets it himself.

You will find that the Catholic Church believed it’s doctrines long before, they defined them.
They only define doctrines when challenged.