CBO is in Folks (LOOSERS)

[Revmitchell]

In states that obtain waivers from rules mandating essential health coverage at uniform rates, the legislation could put insurance economically out of reach for some sick consumers.

The current insurance since obamacare is misleading in that it is true people have an insurance policy, but the policy has such a high deductible that it is little more than catastrophic coverage. Even with these high deductibles at unprecedented levels the premiums are also very high at unprecedented levels. The net effect is people have an insurance policy that fails to effect their lives.

Simply saying someone has insurance tells us nothing.

 

[Revmitchell]

let's also not forget that insurance companies are pulling out of obamacare left and right. The dems have broken health insurance and in the process made it very difficult to fix

 

[Reynolds]

Have you read the latest edition of Military Times....... More cuts to Vets, Abandon the severely disabled, injured (stealing payments to veterans barely making ends meet). And this is not what Trump campaigned on. Then 23 Million affected by Trumpcare...again, not what he campaigned on.

The Israelis I work for continue to say that the USA is now a 3rd World Country. That always used to upset me. Now I'm beginning to agree with them.

Nope, have not read it, but one of the vets who works for me is thrilled with Trumps changes at the VA. Due to something Trump changed, he went from 40% disabled to 346% disabled. Part of it backdated. He will now be getting almost 60k per year from govt and got a check for almost 100k for back dated benefits.

 

[Reynolds]

Well, all I have to do today is see his mistreatment of Vets. I can see it coming.

He is not mistreating vets. He has improved conditions.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why will those people be uninsured? Do you know the details of that or are you taking a broad brushed figure and using it to make something look bad. Give us some details of exactly how and why these people will be uninsured.

That's because the bill would eliminate the penalty for people who fail to have health coverage. That's what was supposed to get healthy people to sign up to help offset the cost of those with pre-existing conditions.

Insurance companies are proposing that to carry pre existing individuals, that all insurers would have to pay 30 percent higher premiums for a year. Analysts say that could actually deter healthy people from signing up until they need care.

And if that happens and there are still too many sick people signing up, more insurers will stop selling coverage until there's nothing left to buy.

So in the end you could have technically a guarantee of health insurance, but no way to buy coverage. Obviously there's much more to be worked out here that the politicians are hashing out but right now with BO Care we are being bled dry (IE premiums are high & the coverage is limited). This Trump care program will guarantee a death cycle & put the blame on Pre Existing (unhealthy) people. And you cant expect the individual states to cover this....not with any type of slush fund Trumps administration comes up with.

When the insurance salesperson came to my company to propose the Obama Care program my boss who is Israeli looked at her point blank & asked "Is this Legal" then he explained to her how its done in Israel.....apparently a Single Payer System. Perhaps that is where we as a country really need to be.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He is not mistreating vets. He has improved conditions.

That's on an individual case......however if you read these articles there are many vets getting the shaft. My Father in Law had an anurism & we attempted to get medical treatment from the VA. The wait would have killed him so we had to get private treatment. We have also been waiting over 8 month for a hearing aid....still waiting. Now this is the Tampa VA I'm referencing.

 

[Happy]

"G.O.P. Health Bill Would Leave 23 Million More Uninsured in a Decade, C.B.O. Says"

Fallacy.

100 % will be uninsured, IF no one buys insurance!

The US government was NEVER Constitutionally authorized to be in the business of "selling" insurance. They certainly can "promote" it as a "good thing for people to consider buying". They certainly "have" (slept) with insurance "business" whose "business" succeeds when people "buy" their product/service.

However the Government taking it upon themselves to "scare" the people into buying insurance, to agree with their phony stats, and demand they pass legislation to (effectively) position the government in the VERY position "they" want to be in.....is getting old and boring.

And SO WHAT, if 23 million or 100 million or everyone is uninsured?

You are to presume (because "poor", and "children" are always their ploy) it is BECAUSE they are sooooo pooor, they can not afford it.

Another Fallacy. I know many people, myself included, who do not, and have not for decades CHOSEN to buy "health insurance". Seriously? Does "health insurance" guaranteed or "insure" you will be "healthy" ? Of course not. It's a ponzi scheme, under color of law, just like SS.

 

[Happy]

That's on an individual case......however if you read these articles there are many vets getting the shaft. My Father in Law had an anurism & we attempted to get medical treatment from the VA. The wait would have killed him so we had to get private treatment. We have also been waiting over 8 month for a hearing aid....still waiting. Now this is the Tampa VA I'm referencing.

Out of curiosity -
Per your F-in-L, was his anurism caused by or during his "military service " ? Was his hearing loss caused by or during his "military service" ? If not, what is the big deal of him personally providing the means for his own care ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Out of curiosity -
Per your F-in-L, was his anurism caused by or during his "military service " ? Was his hearing loss caused by or during his "military service" ? If not, what is the big deal of him personally providing the means for his own care ?

Well he was in the artillery

 

[Reynolds]

That's on an individual case......however if you read these articles there are many vets getting the shaft. My Father in Law had an anurism & we attempted to get medical treatment from the VA. The wait would have killed him so we had to get private treatment. We have also been waiting over 8 month for a hearing aid....still waiting. Now this is the Tampa VA I'm referencing.

That was the way it was under Obama. The vets in the barber shop last week were talking about how under Trump, they now don't have to go to the VA. They go to our local hospital and VA pays for it.

 

[Reynolds]

Well he was in the artillery

Nah, that would not cause hearing loss.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"G.O.P. Health Bill Would Leave 23 Million More Uninsured in a Decade, C.B.O. Says"

Fallacy.

100 % will be uninsured, IF no one buys insurance!

The US government was NEVER Constitutionally authorized to be in the business of "selling" insurance. They certainly can "promote" it as a "good thing for people to consider buying". They certainly "have" (slept) with insurance "business" whose "business" succeeds when people "buy" their product/service.

However the Government taking it upon themselves to "scare" the people into buying insurance, to agree with their phony stats, and demand they pass legislation to (effectively) position the government in the VERY position "they" want to be in.....is getting old and boring.

And SO WHAT, if 23 million or 100 million or everyone is uninsured?

You are to presume (because "poor", and "children" are always their ploy) it is BECAUSE they are sooooo pooor, they can not afford it.

Another Fallacy. I know many people, myself included, who do not, and have not for decades CHOSEN to buy "health insurance". Seriously? Does "health insurance" guaranteed or "insure" you will be "healthy" ? Of course not. It's a ponzi scheme, under color of law, just like SS.

Then all the insurance companies will go under......Brilliant

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That was the way it was under Obama. The vets in the barber shop last week were talking about how under Trump, they now don't have to go to the VA. They go to our local hospital and VA pays for it.

I heard its still in a flux...if you are referring to the Choice Program.

 

[HawgWyld]

I will tell you who loses, my wife loses her life with Trump care. See she has cancer. What are Republicans going to tell her.....tough, that's how it goes. you have a pre existing condition?

Let's see here. As someone who is self employed, I get to pay $800 a month for health care thanks to Obama because I don't get subsidies (apparently, I'm rich). So, that's $9,600 a year for a family policy.

Oh, and then there's a $3,750 deductible per person that caps at $7,500 for the family.

In other words, we get to pay about $17,100 a year before our health insurance does a thing. That means I get to write a check of up to $3,750 for my daughter's upcoming gall bladder surgery because our ObamaCare policy is next to worthless. It would be cheaper to just have no health insurance -- a strategy I would adopt if I knew I wouldn't have to worry about the tax penalties involved. Just a couple of years ago, our health insurance was cheaper and had a $500 deductible. Obama and all of you who support him have decided to deny me my health coverage because -- I don't know -- it wasn't fair in a socialistic sense or something.

And, I get to listen to people like you tell me this is all a great idea. Got anything else you want to say, ace?

 

[Happy]

I will tell you who loses, my wife loses her life with Trump care. See she has cancer. What are Republicans going to tell her.....tough, that's how it goes. you have a pre existing condition?

Sorry your wife has contracted a killer disease.
Insurance answer is to seek a Physician who will KILL off good cells IN her body, in the premise to KILL off infected cells IN her body. That is the easy and quick way, that is expensive, that causes extreme discomfort, stress, that leaves one with "hope it will work....hope it worked".

The hard way is to balance ones ph within the body's tissue. Excepting the body's exposure to the environment, the most effective way to balance ones ph is via food intake. Not an easy thing to do, because our food for the most part (easily and conveniently available) is primarily at the far end of the ph scale for being acidic, which creates is a perfect setting for diseases to formulate and to flourish within cells within our tissues, and quickly infect adjoining cells, called disease "spreading".

The opposite end (from acidic) of the ph scale is called alkaline. The "hard way" is to study about the two differences; learn how to (via food intake) balance ones ph to cause ones ph level to fall away from acidic to slightly alkaline, whereby the body's cells within the different bodily "systems" (circulatory, digestive, etc.) are conducive to rejecting diseases and repairing cells, instead of feeding them (acidic) which they thrive on.

 

[Reynolds]

I heard its still in a flux...if you are referring to the Choice Program.

They were already using whatever program they were talking about.

 

[Happy]

Well he was in the artillery

And? One loud noise can diminish temporarily or permanently a persons hearing. Repeated loud noises can diminish a person's hearing over time, as a gradual "over time" loss, which if that is the case, "over time" testing would reveal such. And simply old age can diminish hearing.

Simply saying, he was in the artillery, doesn't provide any facts per the state of his hearing.

 

[Happy]

Then all the insurance companies will go under......Brilliant

So? Do you think they are TOO BIG TO FAIL? Like the government preached about the BANKS? lol

 

[Happy]

Let's see here. As someone who is self employed, I get to pay $800 a month for health care thanks to Obama because I don't get subsidies (apparently, I'm rich). So, that's $9,600 a year for a family policy.

Oh, and then there's a $3,750 deductible per person that caps at $7,500 for the family.

In other words, we get to pay about $17,100 a year before our health insurance does a thing. That means I get to write a check for $3,750 for my daughter's upcoming gall bladder surgery because our ObamaCare policy is next to worthless. It would be cheaper to just have no health insurance -- a strategy I would adopt if I knew I wouldn't have to worry about the tax penalties involved. Just a couple of years ago, our health insurance was cheaper and had a $500 deductible. Obama and all of you who support him have decided to deny me my health coverage because -- I don't know -- it wasn't fair in a socialistic sense or something.

And, I get to listen to people like you tell me this is all a great idea. Got anything else you want to say, ace?

Shortly after Trump was sworn in as President he signed an EO regarding people being FINED for not having health insurance. The EO itself does not have force and effect, ie being a law applicable to the people perse', but it does have force and effect per the executive branches of government.

Meaning; You can still read the law about fines for not purchasing health insurance, and you can "pay" the "fine", and the TAX collecting agency; IRS, will absolutely collect your money, call it a tax, and keep it.
However IF you don't pay the supposed FINE, under Trumps EO , you can not be forced by the IRS to pay such "FINE".

And this of course is per the assumption you are not a foreigner, (then the application may be different).

So, essentially, IF the exact time Trump wrote the EO, was before you filed your tax form this year.....you would not have been penalized for not having health insurance.

 

[Happy]

In other words, we get to pay about $17,100 a year before our health insurance does a thing. That means I get to write a check of up to $3,750 for my daughter's upcoming gall bladder surgery ...

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