Ccm

[tinytim]

God gave us colons too, but I doubt you'd agree their issues are something to wallow in.

And some of the music I have had to endure in church growing up because someone would say, "it's a joyful noise"... sounded like it came from people's colons!

Especially that twangy bluegrass junk that people butcher.. I think it is called southern gospel!...

OH, I hate to say it, but I HATED TO HEAR Peg McKamey butcher music!...
Or the other twangers...

It seemed that anyone that had enough brains to push "record" on a tape recorder was allowed on the local "Gospel music program"...

OH, and if a person knew only 3 Chords.. that was good enough!...

Yep, I have heard plenty of colon music in my days as a PK.

 

[Johnv]

God gave us colons too, but I doubt you'd agree their issues are something to wallow in.

If your argument is that emotional music should be condemned, you'd have to condemn a good portion of the "traditional" music catalog. In a cursory review of my baptist hymnal, about 2/3 of the hymns evoke an emotional response.

 

[SBCPreacher]

OK, I'm back to settle the problem.

As far as appropriate worship music is concerned, I will be the authority. Submit your titles to me and I will either approve it as appropriate for your church or disapprove it. If disapproved, it can not be sung in your church under any circumstances. Argument steeled. No further need of discussion.








(Since there are some who post trying to determine what is appropriate for everybody else, I figure I can too! :thumbs

 

[Johnv]

Hey, you just nixed, "We Three Kings" for not being hermeneutically correct. :wavey:

 

[annsni]

God gave us colons too, but I doubt you'd agree their issues are something to wallow in.

However God doesn't speak of them when talking about dealing with Him other than in the Old Testament where the Israelites were told to dig latrines and cover up their excrement because God walked around the camp.

But we see emotions clearly spoken of in Scripture in a good light including love, joy, peace, pity, brokenness and sorrow. Is it wrong that I can read a Scripture and it strikes my heart and I cry or am filled with awe and joy? No. There is nothing wrong with worshipping God with emotion and I think for those who worship without emotion there is something wrong.

 

[tinytim]

Yeah, Ann, it is just not human.. .it is cyborgish!... God gave us emotions..
He also gave us the gift of music that induces emotions...

A Christian that doesn't have emotional responses needs to recheck their stance with God.

That Christian may feel they are better than others, or are part of the "elite" stoics that refuse to be emotional.

 

[Aaron]

However God doesn't speak of them when talking about dealing with Him other than in the Old Testament where the Israelites were told to dig latrines and cover up their excrement because God walked around the camp.

But we see emotions clearly spoken of in Scripture in a good light including love, joy, peace, pity, brokenness and sorrow. Is it wrong that I can read a Scripture and it strikes my heart and I cry or am filled with awe and joy? No. There is nothing wrong with worshipping God with emotion and I think for those who worship without emotion there is something wrong.

What you're not remembering is that natural affections and emotions have been corrupted, and are not acceptable in the worship of Christ.

Those affections commended in the Scriptures are the fruits of the Spirit, not the emotions of the natural man. CCM appeals to the natural man.

 

[annsni]

What you're not remembering is that natural affections and emotions have been corrupted, and are not acceptable in the worship of Christ.

Those affections commended in the Scriptures are the fruits of the Spirit, not the emotions of the natural man. CCM appeals to the natural man.

May I see your Scriptural support for the above? Especially that our emotions have been corrupted and are not acceptable to Christ.

 

[sag38]

Maybe Aaron's emotions have been corrupted since he is speaking not from scriptural authority but from personal preference and experience. What else are we supposed to conclude from such a declaration?

 

[tinytim]

Jesus must have sinned when he in human flesh wept.

Aaron, of all the absurdities you have ever proposed, this emotion hogwash is the strangest... It is even bad for you!

 

[rbell]

What you're not remembering is that natural affections and emotions have been corrupted, and are not acceptable in the worship of Christ.

Those affections commended in the Scriptures are the fruits of the Spirit, not the emotions of the natural man. CCM appeals to the natural man.

Our bodies are corrupt too.

Maybe they shouldn't be at worship?

That's pretty weak, Aaron.

I guess we could do a "send your spirit to church day," but how would we get the offering envelopes there?

 

[Aaron]

Our bodies are corrupt too.

No, they aren't. Not morally corrupt. Your body is a tabernacle, and it's members are instruments. They are slaves either to your corrupt affections, or to your hallowed ones, but your body and it's members are good.

 

[Johnv]

No, they aren't.

You physical body is not corrupt???? What Bible are you reading? Must be the same Bible that condemns contemporary music in churches.

 

[Aaron]

May I see your Scriptural support for the above? Especially that our emotions have been corrupted and are not acceptable to Christ.

It would be tantamount to copying and pasting the Bible. When Christ said, "Blessed are the meek," was He speaking of a natural disposition (worldly), or of spiritual meekness, which is given by grace (godly)?

When He said, "Blesse are they that mourn," was He speaking of a worldly sorrow or a godly sorrow?

When He said that He spoke these things to us that we might have joy, was He speaking of a worldly joy or a godly joy?

 

[Aaron]

You physical body is not corrupt????

Not morally. The creature was made subject to vanity, yes, and it is corrupt in the sense that rust corrupts metals, but it is not morally corrupt.

 

[Revmitchell]

It would be tantamount to copying and pasting the Bible. When Christ said, "Blessed are the meek," was He speaking of a natural disposition (worldly), or of spiritual meekness, which is given by grace (godly)?

When He said, "Blesse are they that mourn," was He speaking of a worldly sorrow or a godly sorrow?

When He said that He spoke these things to us that we might have joy, was He speaking of a worldly joy or a godly joy?

Bub you are reaching

 

[Johnv]

Not morally.

Ok, then if the physical body is not morally corrupt, then the emotions which come from the body are likewise not morally corrupt, which means that emotion-evoking music is not scripturally wrong, which sinks your entire argument against ccm.

 

[annsni]

It would be tantamount to copying and pasting the Bible. When Christ said, "Blessed are the meek," was He speaking of a natural disposition (worldly), or of spiritual meekness, which is given by grace (godly)?

When He said, "Blesse are they that mourn," was He speaking of a worldly sorrow or a godly sorrow?

When He said that He spoke these things to us that we might have joy, was He speaking of a worldly joy or a godly joy?

And when I am worshipping God - with or without music - is the emotion I feel a worldly emotion or a godly one?

 

[rbell]

And when I am worshipping God - with or without music - is the emotion I feel a worldly emotion or a godly one?

Well, if you got emotion in there, then you are serving Lou, the prince of insufficient light...and all the demons of heck.

 

[Eric B]

That's rock music period. It does have it's roots in African Voodoo. It came into America through the slave trade. Many of the terms used to describe the aesthetics of rock music are borrowed from African languages.

The Africans who fused Christianity with their paganism believed they were maintaining their connections to their old world and it's gods, and that idea is alive and well today.

And that seems to be the root of this teaching, with the whole "emotion" and "corrupted flesh" debate trumped up now to cover it up.
Of course, it was OK for another culture to fuse Christianity with their paganism (and flesh worship*), including its somber music, and insisting God is just like them.

*(And that was primarily what "flesh" was about in NT usage. People trusted in their inheritance/lineage as if it made them better than others, so Paul shows that if you're going to look to your natural flesh to give you some kind of spiritual merit, all it brings you is sinful passions. It is not condemning all emotion and desire. But of course, those who follow the errors being condemned in the NT will deflect it to mean emotion and desire, especially since their tradition believes in trying to suppress those things as much as possible).