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'Do not love human society....' You'd better live alone in a cave then, Van. My church is full of human beings and I love their society.
Are you still not praying for humanity, Van?

 

Acts of the Apostles 17:24, ". . . God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; . . ."

". . . God that made mankind
and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven
and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; . . . "

Might?
1 John 2:15-17, ". . . Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. . . ."

". . . Love not mankind, neither the things that are in mankind. If any man love mankind, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in mankind, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of mankind. And mankind passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. . . ."

Matthew 5:43-44, ". . .
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; . . ."

John 17:9, ". . . I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. . . ."
". . . I pray for them: I pray not for mankind, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. . . "

John 13:1, ". . . Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. . . ."
". . . Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of mankind unto the Father, having loved his own which were in mankind, he loved them unto the end. . . ."

Ephesians 1:4, ". . . According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: . . ."
". . . According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of mankind, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: . . ."

I can go on. But you never intended an answer to any of these.

 

You certainly don't have a way with words Van. You need to brush up on the English language before you even begin to attempt your interpretive skills of the original.

 

How something is said is, in fact, dealing with what was said. That's elementary for the rest of us Van.

 

Rather than the above monstrosity, the NET states the following:
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world (the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance produced by material possessions) is not from the Father, but is from the world. And the world is passing away with all its desires, but the person who does the will of God remains forever."

 

Van, how would you "'interpret' 1 Cor. 7:31/ The NLT reads :
"Those who use the things of the world should not become attached to them. For this world as we know it will soon pass away."

 

How would you 'interpret' the following passages Van?

2 Cor. 7:10
"For sadness as intended by God produces a repentance that leads to salvation, leaving no regret, but worldly sadness brings about death" (NET)
Titus 2:12
"It trains us to reject godless ways and worldly desires and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age." (NET)
2 Peter 1:4
"Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, after escaping the worldly corruption that is produced by evil desire." (NET)
Jude 19
"These people create divisions. Since they don't have the Spirit, they are worldly." (CEB)

 

If I carry on with this discussion I fear that I shall descend into either sarcasm or anger. If you really believe that God instructs us not to love mankind there is nothing more I can say.
Thank you for your time.

 

God in the Law said, Leviticus 19:18, ". . . thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: . . ." In the same letter 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 2:15-17 wrote in 1 John 5:19, ". . . we know that we are of God, and all mankind lieth in wickedness . . ." You choose to reject a usable translation by forcing irrational application.

 

Van, answer my posts, numbers 68 and 68.

 

"Van --how many posts will you spew the same stuff over and over and over again? You said your piece; wisdom would be to walk away before your posts become so trite and irrelevant that no one listens to anything you say. To me that would be a wise move." (Dr. Bob to Van 7-2-2015)

 

I enjoy comparing the KJV to any other translar=tion in regards to 1 Cor 1:18... and Rev 4:11...... 1 Cor 1:18... KJV..."which are saved"... all the rest?... "who are BEING saved".... I believe salvation is a once and forever done with act..... we are NOT in a process of "being saved"... just as Jesus.. nailed our sins to the cross... Jesus does Not have to re "die".. over and over again to pay for our sins... and Rev 4:11... why were we created...?...for God's pleasure... !.. we were created to please God... te other translations.. tell us.. how we were created... not why.. we were created...

 

I am finding a lot of anti Calvinist beliefs on here... are there a lot of anti conservative.. or anti reformed as well?.. what about anti dispensationalists..?... I never knew that Baptists could disagree.. about.. so many things... I thought that is why we are Baptists... is it not?...why is there such a schism in what our views are..?..

 

the KJV states..."so then".. .....the ASV.."so belief".. the RSV.."so faith... the NASB "so faith".... does this make a difference?... the key word is the word.."so"... which is the connecting word... (conjunction).. letting us know that verse 17 is refering to what has previously been stated....I don't think we should be getting tied up worrying about the words after the word "so".. if we do not first understand the reason why...the word "so",.. is there...

 

hmmm I do not see where Faith comes by Heeding the word of God... here it states "hearing ".. the word of God.. we have to remember Faith is of God.. it does Not come to us or stay with us because we heed God... either God gives us faith or he does not....hearing and heeding are Not synonymous to each other...we can hear God's word and Not heed it.. and Still have Faith...only God can determine whether He will...strengthen... restore... or remove ....our faith....