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child baptism right or wrong ?

Rebel1

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Yes, if their sins were washed in the blood of the Lamb of God!The ONLY sin God cannot forgive is to reject Jesus to save you!

True, but... the Magisterial Reformers were state-churchists who habitually murdered Anabaptists and others, all while claiming to be following Jesus. Instead of following Him, I believe they were rejecting Him by their actions. Did they confess their sin of murder and ask God to forgive them? If so, why did they keep condoning it, being a part of it, and participating in it?
 

Cavell

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Since she is asking you for Scripture prohibiting infant baptism, perhaps you could ask her for Scripture saying that infants know or feel anything about the Holy Spirit.

She will point to John the Baptist when he was in the womb. I am best off not getting in to a scriptural battle with her, she will win.
 

Yeshua1

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That is not the reason Presbyterians baptize their babies. They baptize their babies because they believe it makes their children members of the New Covenant community. That is diametrically opposed to Baptist theology which teaches the only members of the New Covenant community are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Methodists believe infant baptism works with prevenient grace and assists the child in their ability to understand spiritual truths as the child grows and matures. The Methodist view is wrong because there is no such thing as prevenient grace. So, infant baptism is sinful because it misinterprets and misapplies scripture.
Yes, as our Reformed bethren tie OT circumcision into NT baptism, as the sign of one being part of the community of faith.
 

John of Japan

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She will point to John the Baptist when he was in the womb. I am best off not getting in to a scriptural battle with her, she will win.
She might say that an infant John the Baptist "felt" the Holy Spirit, but she cannot say he "knew" the Holy Spirit." The Bible doesn't say that.
 

Yeshua1

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She might say that an infant John the Baptist "felt" the Holy Spirit, but she cannot say he "knew" the Holy Spirit." The Bible doesn't say that.
Thye Holy Spirit set apart John, Jeremiah, etc from the womb, unique cases, as were prophets of God!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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That is not the reason Presbyterians baptize their babies. They baptize their babies because they believe it makes their children members of the New Covenant community. That is diametrically opposed to Baptist theology which teaches the only members of the New Covenant community are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Methodists believe infant baptism works with prevenient grace and assists the child in their ability to understand spiritual truths as the child grows and matures. The Methodist view is wrong because there is no such thing as prevenient grace. So, infant baptism is sinful because it misinterprets and misapplies scripture.
Each group uses it to their advantage
 

robycop3

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I am troubled by your conclusion that infant baptism is not sin. It is not condoned in scripture. Furthermore, it could reinforce other non-scriptural practices.

Consider:

Rom 14:13 KJV - Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

1Co 8:9 KJV - But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

My motto: Neither condemn what God condones nor condone what God condemns.

I believe it's a matter of MISINFORMATION. Satan works constantly to misinform Christians in attempts to lead them astray. They simply don't know that baptizing someone won't save them. Thus, they act outta good intent, not maliciously or deliberately sinfully.
 

Yeshua1

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I believe it's a matter of MISINFORMATION. Satan works constantly to misinform Christians in attempts to lead them astray. They simply don't know that baptizing someone won't save them. Thus, they act outta good intent, not maliciously or deliberately sinfully.
My In Laws were very afraind and upset with my wife and me, as they just did not know why we kept delaying water baptism for our boys, as they feared damnationif the boys died before the water hit them!
 

Wesley Briggman

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I believe it's a matter of MISINFORMATION. Satan works constantly to misinform Christians in attempts to lead them astray. They simply don't know that baptizing someone won't save them. Thus, they act outta good intent, not maliciously or deliberately sinfully.

All spiritual deception originates with Satan. The source of misinformation is found in the doctrines of the denominations with which the parents identify. The reason they don't know that baptizing someone won't save them is because they have been taught it either saves the child or enables them to be saved.

A child of God should grow in the knowledge of his Savior and not continue in ignorance of spiritual practices. The Holy Spirit will guide them to the truth.

2Pe 3:17 KJV - Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2Pe 3:18 KJV - But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
 
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