prophecynut
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No one on this board has proven we are not to know the month or year of the Second Coming and the day and hour of the Rapture. Where does it state in Scripture we are not to know?
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I thought thats what I did with some of the scripture I posted? Maybe you have interpreted them differently?
Matt. 24:36~ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-2~
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Now there are hints as to around what time it could be but no definate time its gonna be. It says not even the angels of heaven know. It says the day of the Lord cometh like a thief in the night.......do you think that a thief is gonna give you the day and time he is gonna rob you?
Although we have got to be getting prety close to the second comming.
tamborine lady
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Acts 1-7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
1Thes-52 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
I believe that the unsaved will be caught completely off guard when Jesus returns.
But Gods people,(even though they don't know the day nor the hour, or the month or year), will have been watching, and will not be surprised.
The unsaved don't believe in God, so they won't believe He is coming back so therefore His coming (to them) will be like theif in the night.
Working for Jesus,
Tam
prophecynut
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still waiting
Matt. 24:36~ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Quoting The Bible Knowledge Commentary: "no one knows the precise moment when that day or hour will arrive."
Rev. 9:15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were re leased to kill a third of mankind.
Bible Knowledge Commentary: "The release of these four is minutely timed"
The day or hour or "precise moment" of the Second Coming cannot be determined; does not include year or month.
The Church is never told to "watch" for the Rapture, only the Jews during the Tribulation are told to watch for the Second Coming because they don't know who their Messiah is or what day he returns.
Matt. 24:36~ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Quoting The Bible Knowledge Commentary: "no one knows the precise moment when that day or hour will arrive."
Rev. 9:15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were re leased to kill a third of mankind.
Bible Knowledge Commentary: "The release of these four is minutely timed"
The day or hour or "precise moment" of the Second Coming cannot be determined; does not include year or month.
Hebrews 10:25 says: "let us encourage one another - and all the more as you (Church) see the Day approaching." This passage does not include the month or year, don't add to Scripture. The Church knows who their Savior is and will know what day He returns, all we need to do is "wait."
The Church is never told to "watch" for the Rapture, only the Jews during the Tribulation are told to watch for the Second Coming because they don't know who their Messiah is or what day he returns.
hillclimber
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PTL Me and mine also.Originally posted by C4K:
Since I am pre-trib, pre-mil I won't be here for that.
hillclimber
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So believing in a particular eschatology makes it come about? I wish it was thatOriginally posted by KenH:
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Since I am pre-trib, pre-mil I won't be here for that
easy.
</font>[/QUOTE]You've got your thinking on cause and effect mixed up.tamborine lady
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P-Nut: The word "day" can mean different periods of time. as it is explained in Strongs Con. See below.
2250. hmera hemera, hay-mer'-ah
feminine (with 5610 implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit; akin to the base of 1476) meaning tame, i.e. gentle; day, i.e. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figuratively, a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context):--age, + alway, (mid-)day (by day, (-ly)), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years.
Even you must know that God is not going to tell you when it is going to happen. (not like next tues, or Jan 15th, or any such nonsense!!
You will know by the sign of the times.
Even in the scripture you posted;
Hebrews 10:25 says: "let us encourage one another - and all the more as you (Church) see the Day approaching."
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Then you said:
The Church is never told to "watch" for the Rapture, only the Jews during the Tribulation are told to watch for the Second Coming because they don't know who their Messiah is or what day he returns.
You're tripping over your own thoughts. Hebrews is only for the Jews,(if we are to believe you).So why are you quoting it for us??
My statement still stands as correct, If you can't understand such a simple thing, then you've studied too long and scrambled too many scriptures.
I shall pray for you.
Peace,
Tam
tamborine lady
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Rev 9-15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
"A" seems to be the operative word, not "this" as shown in your redidtion below!
Rev. 9:15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were re leased to kill a third of mankind
What version did you have to use to find it written that way?
Selah,
Tam
prophecynut
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"If you can't understand such a simple thing, then you've studied too long" WHAT? You are
"Even you must know that God is not going to tell you when it is going to happen."
I'm absolutely sure.
"Even you must know that God is not going to tell you when it is going to happen."
I'm absolutely sure.
Well if you go and re-read that verse you will realize that the scripture it says they were kept ready....it still does not specify if they knew, but leads one to understand that being kept ready for that day... is not the same as knowing that day. If they knew what day it was going to be they would not have to be "kept ready"....they'd be waiting and ready for the day.
Somewhat like a fire fighter........a fire fighter never knows when theres going to be a fire but he knows that sooner or later there will be a fire. Until then we check all our fire fighting equipment, keep ourselfs in shape, and are kept ready with thraining and studing procedures on putting out fires.
BTW, I seen that the first thing you had posted in this quote was the words "still waiting"? Like I quoted before out of Matt 24:36 when Jesus said that only the Father knows. Are you arguing that Jesus didn't say that?
Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
prophecynut
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Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
The month and year are not in this verse. Still waiting.
The month and year are not in this verse. Still waiting.
Good night nurse but your being stubborn!
Day and hour would narrow it down more than a month and year, but even so....If the Lord gave a month and a year.... you'd know it would be 28 - 31 days to choose from depending on the month it lands in and wether it's a leap year. Right? You have jumped ahead already and set the date of Jan. 15th 2011 or is this the preacher you listen to who has set this date? You show me in the bible where it says you can set a day when the Lord will return.
And if its ok to put the month and year in then how come Matt. 24:36 don't go like this.........
Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. However here's the month and the year so be ready....or.....except in the last days it will be told unto them watching and waiting.
No it don't say that, so it gives you the idea its a mystery. When it says no man knows the day or the hour... its a pretty sure bet no man will know the month or the day either.
Just to futher back up what I'm saying here.
Jesus says in Mat 24:20 ~But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
.......you'd think He'd be more definite here about the tribulation, but He goes on to say.....
Matt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
and then.....
Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.[/i]
Do not get me wrong because I believe that the gift of prophecy as with all the gifts of the Spirit are for today, but not the way you are using it.
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Just a thought....If the Lord told people the month and year of his return then there would be many trying to get salvation the day before that month began. On a sad note as to that fact... when I was 8 years old I asked a man if he was saved and he said no. Upon hearing that I asked him how he thought he'd get to heaven... and he replied he would ask right before he died. How would that man know when his life might be required of him?
Its just like kids wait till the last minuet to cram the final exam the night before. Or like some of us wait until the day before our tags or inspection sticker run out before we renew them. The only thing is you might not pass the test or you may end up with a penalty. Sadder still some one reading this thread might take your word for it and become some what slack because they might think they have plenty of time. What if you are wrong..whats your asurance of being right...what scripture backs you up on the date/time/month..ect? The reason I ask this is because I don't see anyone else in here confirming this date within their Spirit.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
Day and hour would narrow it down more than a month and year, but even so....If the Lord gave a month and a year.... you'd know it would be 28 - 31 days to choose from depending on the month it lands in and wether it's a leap year. Right? You have jumped ahead already and set the date of Jan. 15th 2011 or is this the preacher you listen to who has set this date? You show me in the bible where it says you can set a day when the Lord will return.
And if its ok to put the month and year in then how come Matt. 24:36 don't go like this.........
Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. However here's the month and the year so be ready....or.....except in the last days it will be told unto them watching and waiting.
No it don't say that, so it gives you the idea its a mystery. When it says no man knows the day or the hour... its a pretty sure bet no man will know the month or the day either.
Just to futher back up what I'm saying here.
Jesus says in Mat 24:20 ~But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
.......you'd think He'd be more definite here about the tribulation, but He goes on to say.....
Matt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
and then.....
Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.[/i]
Do not get me wrong because I believe that the gift of prophecy as with all the gifts of the Spirit are for today, but not the way you are using it.
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Just a thought....If the Lord told people the month and year of his return then there would be many trying to get salvation the day before that month began. On a sad note as to that fact... when I was 8 years old I asked a man if he was saved and he said no. Upon hearing that I asked him how he thought he'd get to heaven... and he replied he would ask right before he died.
How would that man know when his life might be required of him? Its just like kids wait till the last minuet to cram the final exam the night before. Or like some of us wait until the day before our tags or inspection sticker run out before we renew them. The only thing is you might not pass the test or you may end up with a penalty. Sadder still some one reading this thread might take your word for it and become some what slack because they might think they have plenty of time. What if you are wrong..whats your asurance of being right...what scripture backs you up on the date/time/month..ect? The reason I ask this is because I don't see anyone else in here confirming this date within their Spirit.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
prophecynut
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You have jumped ahead already and set the date of Jan. 15th 2011 or is this the preacher you listen to who has set this date? You show me in the bible where it says you can set a day when the Lord will return.
I did not jump ahead and set a date, I back tracked from the Second Coming date established by OT Scripture. I haven't listened to any preacher, I have read books by prophecy teachers. The Day of the Rapture, Heb. 10:25. The week of the 2nd coming from two chronologies I came up with before I had a Bible.
except in the last days it will be told unto them watching and waiting.
The dates are revealed to a single person(Mt. 17:11; Heb. 10:38), another person, a messenger, will make it know to the Church (Hab. 2:2). The Church is to "wait" for their Savior, never are they to "watch" for Israel's Messiah as the Jews are.
its a pretty sure bet no man will know the month or the day either.
I'll give you a thousand to one odds, you name it.
Mat 24:20 ~But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Jewish prayers will be answered, their flight will be during summer and the day after the Sabbath.
If the Lord told people the month and year of his return then there would be many trying to get salvation the day before that month began.
Revival will happen sooner than later, the number of those coming to know the Lord will be determine by Him, not because somebody tries to obtain salvation.
some one reading this thread might take your word for it and become some what slack because they might think they have plenty of time.
When the truth comes out it will shake the very foundation of the Church, if will have the opposite effect as you think.
What if you are wrong..whats your asurance of being right...what scripture backs you up on the date/time/month..ect?
No if or buts, buy the book when published.
I did not jump ahead and set a date, I back tracked from the Second Coming date established by OT Scripture. I haven't listened to any preacher, I have read books by prophecy teachers. The Day of the Rapture, Heb. 10:25. The week of the 2nd coming from two chronologies I came up with before I had a Bible.
except in the last days it will be told unto them watching and waiting.
The dates are revealed to a single person(Mt. 17:11; Heb. 10:38), another person, a messenger, will make it know to the Church (Hab. 2:2). The Church is to "wait" for their Savior, never are they to "watch" for Israel's Messiah as the Jews are.
its a pretty sure bet no man will know the month or the day either.
I'll give you a thousand to one odds, you name it.
Mat 24:20 ~But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Jewish prayers will be answered, their flight will be during summer and the day after the Sabbath.
If the Lord told people the month and year of his return then there would be many trying to get salvation the day before that month began.
Revival will happen sooner than later, the number of those coming to know the Lord will be determine by Him, not because somebody tries to obtain salvation.
some one reading this thread might take your word for it and become some what slack because they might think they have plenty of time.
When the truth comes out it will shake the very foundation of the Church, if will have the opposite effect as you think.
What if you are wrong..whats your asurance of being right...what scripture backs you up on the date/time/month..ect?
No if or buts, buy the book when published.
tamborine lady
Active Member
P-Nut, I'm not confused! Are you?
Now pay attention, and I'll show you one more time.
Acts 1-7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power
Seasons are 3 monthes long. (Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall.)
times can be translated years.
But like Music said, you were the one that said you would know the time exactly!! So what does monthes and years have to do with it?
Anyway, monthes and years are the same as times and seasons.
It can't be explained any clearer than that!!
(When bible scholers see the phrase " a time and times and half a time" it is translated 3 1/2 years.)
Think about it,
Tam
prophecynut
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Acts 1-7 And he said unto them , It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power
Personal pronouns "them" and "you" refers to the Jewish disciples and not the Church which was still a mystery to everyone until revealed later to Paul. The Church is not in the context of this passage, it did not exist at the time. The disciples were not to know the times and seasons because they were not evident in their time like they are now to the Church.
The day is known for the Rapture.
The week is known for the Second Coming.
Keep them separate.
Personal pronouns "them" and "you" refers to the Jewish disciples and not the Church which was still a mystery to everyone until revealed later to Paul. The Church is not in the context of this passage, it did not exist at the time. The disciples were not to know the times and seasons because they were not evident in their time like they are now to the Church.
The day is known for the Rapture.
The week is known for the Second Coming.
Keep them separate.
tamborine lady
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Well, if they are known, then by all means lay it on us!!
Enlighten us unlearned people!! Please!!!
As far as that being for the disciples and not us, then tear that scripture out of your bible folks, we don't need it no more!!
Tam
prophecynut
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You can also rip out Mt. 24, Mark 13 except verses 9-11, and Luke 21 except verses 12-19.
I already gave the approximate dates, I will not reveal the exact dates.
I already gave the approximate dates, I will not reveal the exact dates.
tamborine lady
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Balony!!