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Chosen in Him Before the Foundation of the world

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Barry Johnson

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Dave Gilbert said:
Faith is a gift, Barry.
See Ephesians 2:8-10.
Note:
The Bible never says believers are saved by faith, it says we are saved through it.

What's more, not all men have faith ( 1 Thessalonians 3:2 ), so where does faith come from?.;)
It is the faith of God's elect ( Titus 1:1 ).

Back to gifts...
It is given in the behalf of Christ for a person to both believe on Him, and to suffer for His sake ( Again, Philippians 1:29 ).
Things that are given by God, are gifts.

Eternal life is a gift ( Romans 6:23).
It is not a reward gained by "exercising faith".

Faith is not the key...

God's mercy and grace are ( Titus 3:5-6 ).
Anyone whom God has decided to have mercy towards, is granted the rest.
Everything good that a person has, especially a believer, comes from God ( John 3:27, James 1:17 ).

That goodness leads us as men to repentance ( Romans 2:4 ).
Though we will not repent ( John 3:19-20 ) in and of ourselves, and we will not seek Him ( Romans 3:10-18 ).

I wish you well sir, and this is my last reply to you in this thread.



May God bless you in your studies of His word, and may you always look to Him in your times of trial and need.
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Eph 2 .8.9 Salvation is the gift not faith . Even John Calvin conceded that. Every English school teacher will show you the construction of that sentence its not the ' faith which is the Gift .
 
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Barry Johnson

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Barry Johnson said:
Eph 2 .8.9 Salvation is the gift not faith . Even John Calvin conceded that. Every English school teacher will show you the construction of that sentence its not the ' faith which is the Gift .
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Exercising faith ? That's the NWT by the Jehovah witnesses..That's what they teach lol .
rom 5
1¶Therefore being justified by FAITH we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
 
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Barry Johnson

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Barry Johnson said:
Exercising faith ? That's the NWT by the Jehovah witnesses..That's what they teach lol .
rom 5
1¶Therefore being justified by FAITH we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
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Barry Johnson

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Barry Johnson said:
Eph 2 .8.9 Salvation is the gift not faith . Even John Calvin conceded that. Every English school teacher will show you the construction of that sentence its not the ' faith which is the Gift .
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what you have my friend Is an acute case of Buzz word itus ..Not every time you see the word ' faith ' is it the same ..Just like the word 'Justified ' or salvation, and these are used interchangeably : Destruction, soul , saved , ect .
But these are were your really stumbling ( like every calvernist also and some Armins to ) ELECTION , ELECT , CHOSEN !!!! , PREDESTINATION !!!! ( ECHO ECHO !!! ) CALLED ( CALLED !! CALLED ! CALLED ) . These are like triggers for mind .
 
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Barry Johnson

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Barry Johnson said:
what you have my friend Is an acute case of Buzz word itus ..Not every time you see the word ' faith ' is it the same ..Just like the word 'Justified ' or salvation, and these are used interchangeably : Destruction, soul , saved , ect .
But this is where your really stumbling ( like every calvernist also and some Armins to ) ELECTION , ELECT , CHOSEN !!!! , PREDESTINATION !!!! ( ECHO ECHO !!! ) CALLED ( CALLED !! CALLED ! CALLED ) . These are like triggers for mind .
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Barry Johnson said:
The verse does not say " God has chosen the believer in Christ " This would be imposing the calvernist paradigm ( God the father gives the Son a love gift ) onto the text.
upon believing we receive the ' spirit of adoption ' not ' The adoption , so The adoption hasn't happened yet for any believer . Eph 1 .5 is the predestination of a future Adoption .
' It pleased God by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to save those that believe . In Calvernism it's taught that we lost even the ability to even believe the Gosepl upon hearing . But the bible clearly shows we can believe the truth so as to be saved .
When Jesus says the Father Draws ,this is before the cross .Before the cross and the giving of the Holy spirit which convinces the world of sin righteousness and judgement and Jesus ' will draw all men ' .The drawing is those disciples and those sheep who have been following ( hearing ) God before Jesus appears . This is not some Gnostic secrect drawing but the ones already following Yahweh before Jesus appears on the scene .
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Freely believe?
Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of [the] God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'
 
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MartyF

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percho said:
Freely believe?
Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of [the] God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'
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Here are the verses in an easier English so that you can understand.

John 6:28-29 NLT
[28] They replied, "We want to perform God's works, too. What should we do?"

[29] Jesus told them, "This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent."
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
Day by day a believer grows in grace and knowledge. When we are glorified we will be conformed to His image
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29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ok then . We are ' known ' intimately . Galations 4
8¶Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
When we first believe ( not before we are created ) Then we are predestined to future glorification. ( Guaranteed because of some Gnostic election in the mind of God before the foundation of the world? Too which we could never know we are one of the frozen chosen apart from our works , no but because we are sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption.
 
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Barry Johnson

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MartyF said:
Here are the verses in an easier English so that you can understand.

John 6:28-29 NLT
[28] They replied, "We want to perform God's works, too. What should we do?"

[29] Jesus told them, "This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent."
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Roman's 4 .5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

27¶Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
Day by day a believer grows in grace and knowledge. When we are glorified we will be conformed to His image
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Exactly so the predestination is not something that happened before the foundation of the world. When and after we believe the Gospel and then we are sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption. Then we are predestined . This predestination does not happen in eternity past for individuals or groups .
 
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Barry Johnson said:
When are you conformed to the image of his Son ?
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2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
 
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