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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Duzt, Dec 14, 2017.

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  1. JonC

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    See TCassidy post # 33![/QUOTE]
    Show me a passage that presents a man who is regenerated but faithless.
     
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    Show me a passage that presents a man who is regenerated but faithless.[/QUOTE]
    It happens at the same time as we see it , but one precedes the other in God's economy
     
    #42 Yeshua1, Dec 19, 2017
  3. TCassidy

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    Oxymoron. The purpose of regeneration is to bestow faith. That is the whole point of efficacious Grace. God's Grace always accomplishes what He intended it to accomplish.
     
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    Yet another false assertion devoid of support. Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all.
     
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  5. Van

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    First we believe, then are given the right to become children of God which occurs when we are spiritually born anew. Thus John 1:12-13 teaches faith before regeneration which refers to being born anew, which occurs when we are transferred into Christ.
     
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  6. Yeshua1

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    Unless the Father first called and brought us to jesus, none here would have gotten saved!
     
    #46 Yeshua1, Dec 19, 2017
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    What is the E on the TULI(E)P? I've never heard of that.
     
    #47 Felipe Rios, Dec 19, 2017
  8. TCassidy

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    "Irresistible Grace" begs more questions than it answers so I prefer E = Efficacious Grace. That term simply means that God's Grace never fails, it always accomplishes what He intended it to accomplish.
     
    #48 TCassidy, Dec 19, 2017
  9. TCassidy

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    Allow me to elaborate a bit.

    I am neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian, I am a Biblicist. I don't follow any man, nor do I attach my faith to the name of a man, nor do I refer to my salvation in the terms associated with any man.

    I accept, for the most part, the canons of the Synod of Dort, which reflect Biblical Soteriology. To say I must reject the bible (I.E., "biblicist") and accept the philosophy of man (I.E., "Calvinist" or "Arminian") is to deny the Bible, the Saviour of the Bible, and the God of the Bible.

    I am not a "Calvinist" because Calvin was a baby sprinkling heretic who taught that the ordinances (he called them "sacraments") were a "means of grace." He may have come out of his apostate Roman Catholic Church but he brought too much of the furniture with him.

    I have to admit it bothers me when a Baptist calls himself a "Calvinist." Calvin wrote that "Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels [Anabaptists and others], who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard." *

    No thanks. I will not side with a man who believes the ordinances are a "means of grace," that Baptists are "monsters" and worthy of death, that sprinkled babies, hated the biblical doctrine of separation of church and state, and had his so-called "church" rule over Geneva to the point that in comparison the Taliban looks moderate!

    (*John Calvin Letter to the Marquis Paet, chamberlain to the King of Navarre, 1561.)
     
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  10. Yeshua1

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    One can be a calvinist/reformed Baptist, and not follow Calvin, but Christ!
     
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    .First we believe, then are given the right to become children of God which occurs when we are spiritually born anew. Thus John 1:12-13 teaches faith before regeneration which refers to being born anew, which occurs when we are transferred into Christ. We are given to Christ, John 6:37 when we are transferred into Christ. Notice that once given to Christ, we will not be cast out. Therefore being given refers to being baptized into Christ.
     
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    WOW. You gave me some new information about Calvin. I was not aware of that.
     
    #52 Felipe Rios, Dec 19, 2017
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    I didn't give you any information about Calvinism. I gave you information about Calvin and why I don't want my faith to be identified with him. :)
     
    #53 TCassidy, Dec 19, 2017
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    The guy had zero sense of humor!
     
    #54 Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 19, 2017
  15. TCassidy

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    That too. :)
     
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    He still was a gifted theologian and teacher though!
     
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    How can spiritual dead sinners believe though first?
     
    #57 Yeshua1, Dec 20, 2017
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    Hi Yeshua1, how can someone who believes what the bible says deny it? See Matthew 23:13. The ability to grasp this fundamental truth cannot be beyond your understanding.
     
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  19. Yeshua1

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    That passage has NOT supported your position at all!
     
    #59 Yeshua1, Dec 21, 2017
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    Denial of the truth of scripture is no argument.. The ability to grasp this fundamental truth cannot be beyond your understanding.
     
    #60 Van, Dec 21, 2017
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