Christian Bush Haters?

Baptist in Richmond · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by OldRegular:
The original OP asked the question: <blockquote>quote:<hr />President Bush is one if the very few Presidents in recent history who has openly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Why is it that on this supposedly Christian Forum there are so many people who hate President Bush so much and do all they can to tear him down?

The response has been interesting. There is an old saying which I think characterizes the response: A guilty conscience needs no accuser! [/QUOTE]Until you prove your contention by providing even ONE person who has used the word "hatred" to describe their feelings for President Bush, you have yet to prove this despite your repeated claims to the contrary.

A claim in perpetuity does not constitute proof.

To reiterate:
Any reply, other than providing that elusive proof for the claim that YOU made, is nothing more than abject fatuity.

NaasPreacher (C4K) · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by OldRegular:
The original OP asked the question: <blockquote>quote:<hr />President Bush is one if the very few Presidents in recent history who has openly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Why is it that on this supposedly Christian Forum there are so many people who hate President Bush so much and do all they can to tear him down?

The response has been interesting. There is an old saying which I think characterizes the response: A guilty conscience needs no accuser! [/QUOTE]So do you contend that everyone who has disagreed with your OP hates President Bush?

What if I started a thread saying how wrong it was for so called Christians to worship President Bush, would that be acceptable? Would anyone who disagreed be guilty by their response?

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by C4K:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
The original OP asked the question: <blockquote>quote:<hr />President Bush is one if the very few Presidents in recent history who has openly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Why is it that on this supposedly Christian Forum there are so many people who hate President Bush so much and do all they can to tear him down?

The response has been interesting. There is an old saying which I think characterizes the response: A guilty conscience needs no accuser! [/QUOTE]So do you contend that everyone who has disagreed with your OP hates President Bush?

What if I started a thread saying how wrong it was for so called Christians to worship President Bush, would that be acceptable? Would anyone who disagreed be guilty by their response? [/QUOTE]All I said was: A guilty conscience needs no accuser! You will have to decide if this applies to you!

NaasPreacher (C4K) · Aug 28, 2005

And of course you still do not answer. Throw out an accusation then accuse anyone who responds negatively of guilt.

Poster after poster have stated they do not hate the president. You imply that they do.

Your OP flashed charges of which you have no evidence. Can yiu imagine what our courts would be like with this logic?

Baptist in Richmond · Aug 28, 2005

OldRegular,

To reiterate:
Any reply, other than providing that elusive proof for the claim that YOU made, is nothing more than abject fatuity.

It would appear that I am not the only one who notices your lack of proof......

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by C4K:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
The original OP asked the question: <blockquote>quote:<hr />President Bush is one if the very few Presidents in recent history who has openly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Why is it that on this supposedly Christian Forum there are so many people who hate President Bush so much and do all they can to tear him down?

The response has been interesting. There is an old saying which I think characterizes the response: A guilty conscience needs no accuser! [/QUOTE]So do you contend that everyone who has disagreed with your OP hates President Bush?

What if I started a thread saying how wrong it was for so called Christians to worship President Bush, would that be acceptable? Would anyone who disagreed be guilty by their response? [/QUOTE]If you start the thread I will be one of the first to agree. It would be wrong, not just wrong, but downright sinful for "so called Christians", real Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddahists, Hindus, Shintos, New Agers, Scientologists, or just plain old pagans to worship anyone other than God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

NaasPreacher (C4K) · Aug 28, 2005

Ah, and there's the point. If I took the same position you did I would simply say that many folks here worshipped President Bush, then never give any proof of it. I would say things like, "If you can't see the Bush worship in these posts then it would do no good to point them out to you."

The charges in your OP are baseless, just as mine would be if I posted my theoritical thread.

JGrubbs · Aug 28, 2005

What about those voters that agree with Bush 50% of the time, yet "hate" his policies the other 50% of the time, does that mean the sometimes "hate" Bush?

George Washington refused to join any political party, and warned us about the dangers of political parties in his farewell address. It's apparent today that the majority never heard or just aren't heeding his warning.

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by C4K:
Ah, and there's the point. If I took the same position you did I would simply say that many folks here worshipped President Bush, then never give any proof of it. I would say things like, "If you can't see the Bush worship in these posts then it would do no good to point them out to you."

The charges in your OP are baseless, just as mine would be if I posted my theoritical thread.

Ah Ha, you are entitled to be wrong and you are. The tenor of many posts on this Forum are not just against the policies of President Bush but demonstrate a visceral hatred of him both as a person and as President.

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by JGrubbs:
What about those voters that agree with Bush 50% of the time, yet "hate" his policies the other 50% of the time, does that mean the sometimes "hate" Bush?

George Washington refused to join any political party, and warned us about the dangers of political parties in his farewell address. It's apparent today that the majority never heard or just aren't heeding his warning.

I do not agree with all of President Bush's policies. I am particularly concerned about his policy on illegal immigration. That does not mean I hate him on those occasions or that I dislike him. Since I do not know him personally I could not do either. In the OP I quoted certain Scripture. They are worth repeating.

Jesus Christ has told us:

John 13:34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:12. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:17. These things I command you, that ye love one another.

NaasPreacher (C4K) · Aug 28, 2005

Okay - lets find out.

Who here hates President Bush? Who has violated the Scriptures you posted?

To accuse a brother of hatred, with no basis and no proof is simply wrong and a false attack on a brother in Christ. You have made your opinion of the posts out to be fact.

Using your logic,OR -

"The tenor of many posts on this Forum are not just for the policies of President Bush but demonstrate a idolisation of him both as a person and as President."

Priscilla Ann · Aug 28, 2005

I do not hate President Bush, nor do I recall others on this board indicating that they hate President Bush. I disagree with many of his policies; however, I do not hate him, nor have I ever indicated that I do.

Priscilla Ann · Aug 28, 2005

Old Regular:

I would be curious to know your feelings about Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy. Do you just disagree with them or do you "hate" them as you accuse us of doing with Bush?

PA

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by Priscilla Ann:
Old Regular:

I would be curious to know your feelings about Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy. Do you just disagree with them or do you "hate" them as you accuse us of doing with Bush?

PA

Have Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy openly proclaimed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior?

Baptist in Richmond · Aug 28, 2005

OldRegular:

You just don't get it.

A claim in perpetuity does not constitute proof.

To reiterate:
Any reply you offerr, other than providing that elusive proof for the claim that YOU made, is nothing more than abject fatuity.

NaasPreacher (C4K) · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by OldRegular:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Priscilla Ann:
Old Regular:

I would be curious to know your feelings about Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy. Do you just disagree with them or do you "hate" them as you accuse us of doing with Bush?

PA

Have Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy openly proclaimed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior? [/QUOTE]So its okay to hate them if they are not Christians?

Priscilla Ann · Aug 28, 2005

Old Regular:

You asked:

Have Bill and Hillary Clinton or Ted Kennedy openly proclaimed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior?

We can't judge their relationship with Christ. That's between them and God. The point is that it's not okay to hate Bush, the Clinton's or Ted Kennedy! Don't you get it?

LadyEagle · Aug 28, 2005

The point is not to falsely accuse a brother or sister in Christ of hating Bush, Clinton, or Ted Kennedy when one can't prove such statements have been made. Unless someone out and out says "I hate somebody" then the finger of accusation should not be pointed at a fellow member of this board.

If someone makes an accusation, it is up to the accuser to furnish proof. Otherwise, it can be considered trolling. Trolling is against the posting rules. #5

I suppose that if people are not free to voice their opinions about politics or our political leaders without being accused of hatred, maybe it would be a good thing to just do away with the Politics Forum, eh?

I'd personally rather have it done away with than have all of these false accusations and innuendoes going on.

OldRegular · Aug 28, 2005

May I remind you what the OP asked:

President Bush is one if the very few Presidents in recent history who has openly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. Why is it that on this supposedly Christian Forum there are so many people who hate President Bush so much and do all they can to tear him down?

You folks brought Bill, Hillary, and Ted into the conversation. Have I said that it is OK to hate them? Is it okay to hate the Islamic terrorists?

Baptist in Richmond · Aug 28, 2005

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
The point is not to falsely accuse a brother or sister in Christ of hating Bush, Clinton, or Ted Kennedy when one can't prove such statements have been made. Unless someone out and out says "I hate somebody" then the finger of accusation should not be pointed at a fellow member of this board.

..........and yet, some continue to do so.......

I suppose that if people are not free to voice their opinions about politics or our political leaders without being accused of hatred, maybe it would be a good thing to just do away with the Politics Forum, eh?

Why should the rest of us be punished for the sins of a few?

Regards, LadyEagle,
BiR

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