Christian Feminism...

[superwoman8977]

So working inside God's boundaries (that HE set up) is limiting God? Wow.



Do not ascribe to God what man or Satan have done. God did not orchestrate your divorce. Sin did.




God did not give you a man to commit adultery with (even if you did not sleep with him, you still committed adultery by being with a man who was not your husband)



I will not tell you your divorce is wrong because your husband cheated on you. However, it doesn't make the divorce blessed.



That is great. A strong woman is not a bad thing. Depending on your own wisdom is.



"Traditional" or God ordained? It's like a man saying "I'm not going to be a 'family' man - because I refuse to be lumped into a traditional role. Let my wife support us." Sorry - unbiblical. If we want to "do" for the Lord, we must follow HIS Word and not our own thinking. There are many things that we can be inside of God's will and there are lots of things we can be outside of that. We need to be careful that the world's thinking does not get the upper hand over God's Word.



Sure a girl can. I can train a 1500 lb. horse, drive a horse trailer, remove stitches, climb mountains, sail a 42 foot boat, manage a website, run a group for new moms, do breastfeeding counseling, minister to a family who has lost a loved one (which is what I'm working on today), bike 500 miles in 8 days, work on the Red Cross disaster team and raise 4 children to love the Lord. But all of these things are inside God's will and not going against what He has said in His Word.

I really think you are very confused about what a woman's role in the kingdom is. I certainly am not held back at all, pushed down or demeaned. I think the only way to feel that is when there is rebellion in the heart, IMO.

You know the more and more I think about my divorce and study the more and more that comes to mind that maybe God knew what He was doing when He closed the door on my marriage. My husband has cheated on me and left me bankrupt and then made a life with a tramp that preys on married military men and destroys them and their marriages and careers. Okay thats his sin, but its not mine. I loved my husband, supported him, was faithful to Him and I believe that one day God was like enough is enough and closed the door. God has opened so many doors since that door closed thats it been an unreal experience, only God could accomplish. If God has shown me anything through all of this, its that He is right there with me as I go through all of this, strengthening me, connecting with me, and even in the last few days showing me little glimpses of why all this is happening.

In life we are to accept what we have been dealt with. For alot of people thats very hard to do, I know i have my days I so want to ask God why my life is ending up the way its ending up but I thank God for giving me the strength and the courage and even though I dont smile alot anymore at the moment I am making it through each day I was watching Wife/Swap last night on TV and there was this family that totally lived their lives as close to God's word as they could even to the point of brainwashing their children and not letting them think freely. Then the wife she swapped with had a husband who was the at-home parent while the mother was the breadwinner. The husband was also an ex-pastor and had a doctorate in theology. So 2 very different lines --- but the father who was totally into the word wouldnt allow the woman who worked outside of the home to share anything with his daughters. he had it in his mind that his daughters were to keep house and raise kids and be helpmates to their husbands and back in the 1800's that would have been all well and good but this is the 21st century....there are so many opportunities for women today. I work outside the home yet I come home each night and take care of my family I can wrestle a steer, change the oil in my van and take care of whatever comes up. I dont need a man. That said I would like a man in my life but for a man to tell me what I can and cannot do that isnt going to happen. I think thats why I have a thing with dating soldiers. I love the fact when they are in the field or whatever that I get time to myself, I love that they have taught me independence that I can handle anything thrown at me. I am starting to see that if I was more independent in my marriage I think it would have gone alot better.

 

[annsni]

You know the more and more I think about my divorce and study the more and more that comes to mind that maybe God knew what He was doing when He closed the door on my marriage. My husband has cheated on me and left me bankrupt and then made a life with a tramp that preys on married military men and destroys them and their marriages and careers. Okay thats his sin, but its not mine. I loved my husband, supported him, was faithful to Him and I believe that one day God was like enough is enough and closed the door. God has opened so many doors since that door closed thats it been an unreal experience, only God could accomplish. If God has shown me anything through all of this, its that He is right there with me as I go through all of this, strengthening me, connecting with me, and even in the last few days showing me little glimpses of why all this is happening.

In life we are to accept what we have been dealt with. For alot of people thats very hard to do, I know i have my days I so want to ask God why my life is ending up the way its ending up but I thank God for giving me the strength and the courage and even though I dont smile alot anymore at the moment I am making it through each day I was watching Wife/Swap last night on TV and there was this family that totally lived their lives as close to God's word as they could even to the point of brainwashing their children and not letting them think freely. Then the wife she swapped with had a husband who was the at-home parent while the mother was the breadwinner. The husband was also an ex-pastor and had a doctorate in theology. So 2 very different lines --- but the father who was totally into the word wouldnt allow the woman who worked outside of the home to share anything with his daughters. he had it in his mind that his daughters were to keep house and raise kids and be helpmates to their husbands and back in the 1800's that would have been all well and good but this is the 21st century....there are so many opportunities for women today. I work outside the home yet I come home each night and take care of my family I can wrestle a steer, change the oil in my van and take care of whatever comes up. I dont need a man. That said I would like a man in my life but for a man to tell me what I can and cannot do that isnt going to happen. I think thats why I have a thing with dating soldiers. I love the fact when they are in the field or whatever that I get time to myself, I love that they have taught me independence that I can handle anything thrown at me. I am starting to see that if I was more independent in my marriage I think it would have gone alot better.

So it's a part time relationship on your terms. Interesting.

 

[annsni]

I just read this blog that I subscribe to. I thought it was interesting in light of this thread:

http://girltalk.blogs.com/girltalk/2008/07/more-like-chris.html

 

[Joe]

Ann, maybe if you have the energy, you could take her into the Women's private forum and counsel her.

You do so VERY well with her :thumbs:

You are a godly woman, a great role model

This wife swapping show she refers to watching, boasting of adultery, etc is getting old. It seems to be getting worse, not better.

 

[superwoman8977]

Ann, maybe if you have the energy, you could take her into the Women's private forum and counsel her.

You do so VERY well with her :thumbs:

You are a godly woman, a great role model

This wife swapping show she refers to watching, boasting of adultery, etc is getting old. It seems to be getting worse, not better.

Its not even that. I mentioned the Wife Swap show to prove a point. You can be too on one side or too on the other but apparently with this group you cannot be between. I am not for the whole submission thing but I do have a relationship with the Lord. I do seek Him first and let the rest of the stuff fall into place from my life. But to have people sit there and say that there is no place in God's word for feminism to me is very wrong. I have to be independent, in control or else my life and those of other single moms, dads, etc would be utter chaos. After all I have been through I dont see myself going through the whole marriage thing again. Uggh...way too painful.

 

[Sopranette]

Trusting in the Lord's direction is never the equivilant of losing control. But you're right about one thing; there IS no in between with this group, and I'm grateful for it.

love,

Sopranette

 

[tinytim]

I have to be independent, in control or else my life and those of other single moms, dads, etc would be utter chaos.

This is the trap that we all fall into...
WE think WE are in control....

There is NOTHING we are in control of...
And until we let go of our faux control, and realize that God is in control, our lives will be Chaos....

The best thing you can do is to admit to God you have no control.

 

[Joe]

Its not even that. I mentioned the Wife Swap show to prove a point. You can be too on one side or too on the other but apparently with this group you cannot be between. I am not for the whole submission thing but I do have a relationship with the Lord. I do seek Him first and let the rest of the stuff fall into place from my life. But to have people sit there and say that there is no place in God's word for feminism to me is very wrong. I have to be independent, in control or else my life and those of other single moms, dads, etc would be utter chaos. After all I have been through I dont see myself going through the whole marriage thing again. Uggh...way too painful.

I understand you wouldn't want to submit, or would have hesitancy submitting due to your past. It's good be cautious. Maybe getting off that submission topic would be a good idea.

Sorry you had to go through all you did, that's rough.

The solution to healing is: read your bible, pray, and listen to the godly women here who want to help you. It will all fall into place.

These kinds of tv shows are not reality.

 

[gb93433]

That is not for the ordination service. That would be for the ordination counsel before the service. An ordination candidate is fully questioned before the actual ceremony.

When I was ordained I was questioned with the congregation present. The congregation was free to ask me questions too.

I have done the same thing when ordaining people. It makes for a very real situation and examination of the person. Some of the people in the congregation will ask tougher questions that the ordination council.

 

[UnchartedSpirit]

So now that everyone's made their opinions right through the might of ranting on a thread compeletely unnoticed by the dominating issue at hand, has anyone here tried to talk to this lady and conivnce her of her mistakes? These people are taking over my generation and grandgenerations and all the Bible Belt churches and evangelicals are cowering away from all that! You're just making it harder for the people who are closer to the issue who could be called to witness to them in their own slang (tounge) because they have no one to turn to for brotherly support like Paul's churches had!

 

[annsni]

Ann, maybe if you have the energy, you could take her into the Women's private forum and counsel her.

You do so VERY well with her :thumbs:

You are a godly woman, a great role model

This wife swapping show she refers to watching, boasting of adultery, etc is getting old. It seems to be getting worse, not better.

If she were willing Jo, I'd be more than happy to do it.

Thanks for your kind comments.