Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Yes it does, when the President says he is a Christian.
This is precisely why Christianity Today is within its right to call out the President and call for his removal. The President has claimed his submission to the King of Kings, yet he acts in ways that disrespect the King. We, the church are citizens of the Kingdom of God. We don't stay silent when a member disrespects the King.

Calling for his legal removal from office based on how well they think he personally aligns with his religion is both anti-Christian and unconstitutional.

Those at Christianity Today do not align with my own views of how one should conduct himself as a Christian, but they are not going to fold based on such opinions.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes it does, when the President says he is a Christian.
This is precisely why Christianity Today is within its right to call out the President and call for his removal. The President has claimed his submission to the King of Kings, yet he acts in ways that disrespect the King. We, the church are citizens of the Kingdom of God. We don't stay silent when a member disrespects the King.

Let me ask you this. LEGALLY what has the President done that merits his removal?

Unfortunately, despite what you may think, there are not separate laws for Christians in this country.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes, he is the President whom God has placed in that position. Like David, I will not disparage the ruler. I, like David, will also not call Saul a godly man. Donald Trump is called to repentance. He should repent. God may continue to keep him as President, just as God kept Saul as King for a season. I will rest in the truth that God will do what he chooses to do.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that he shouldn't repent. Nobody has said that.

 

[Particular]

Let me ask you this. LEGALLY what has the President done that merits his removal?

Unfortunately, despite what you may think, there are not separate laws for Christians in this country.

He tried to extort the Ukrainian President into investigating Joe Biden's son in order to get money. That's a mafia like thing to do.

 

[Reformed1689]

He tried to extort the Ukrainian President into investigating Joe Biden's son in order to get money. That's a mafia like thing to do.

Really? Where is the evidence for that?

 

[Calminian]

It is wrong for a Christian to support an unrepentant Christian and not call that person to repentance. Christianity Today did the right thing.
I have given you plenty of evidence regarding our President's unrepentant heart. Do you realize your silence in this matter is a top 10 sin?

What evidence do you have for extortion? Show it, or apologize to Trump for publicly bearing false witness.

 

[Calminian]

Yes, he is the President whom God has placed in that position. Like David, I will not disparage the ruler. I, like David, will also not call Saul a godly man. Donald Trump is called to repentance. He should repent. God may continue to keep him as President, just as God kept Saul as King for a season. I will rest in the truth that God will do what he chooses to do.

As far as I know, DJT is not falsely accusing you of anything.

 

[Particular]

The evidence has been provided. The impeachment was provided. People can claim it's not real. The Senate can do for President Trump what the Senate did for President Clinton and not take the accusations seriously.
I understand that some here think any belief that the President broke laws is tantamount to denying the Trinity. You have the right to hold that opinion.
However, the editor of Christianity Today has the right to say President Trump should be removed as should have Bill Clinton have been removed.
What is surprising is that Christians would turn on Christians as they trust in a man-made government.
In my opinion, as Christians we support our King and we pray for the peace of the city in which we reside as exiles and immigrants.
This is my last comment on this thread. May we all trust in God's Sovereignty in raising up and tearing down leaders according to His perfect plan.

 

[Reformed1689]

The evidence has been provided.

What evidence? Why not just answer that question. There was no evidence in the impeachment hearings. It was all hearsay and opinions. Not facts.

The impeachment was provided.

Actually, the President has not yet been impeached since the House Democrats have not delivered the articles to the Senate.

This is my last comment on this thread.

That's convenient. You are asked to provide proof for your claims then you say you aren't posting anymore. Convenient.... You should repent for your false witness.

 

[Calminian]

The evidence has been provided. The impeachment was provided. ....

Where in the impeachment articles is extortion mentioned? Where did you provide this information? You accused of extortion. Either you provide evidence, or you're exactly what you're accusing Trump of.

 

[Roy]

Here's the link for "Christianity Today's" contact page.

My Account | Christianity Today

Be firm but polite if you respond with an oppinion counter to theirs.
This was my response:

A magazine, as well as a citizen has the right to express an opinion, and having said that, my comment has to do with "Christianity Today's" support for having our president removed from office. Since I never read that magazine, it would be an unqualified opinion if I called your support for the president's removal hypocritical. If "Christianity Today" called for Clinton's removal on account of his actions, and if the magazine called for Obama's removal because of his godless support for the LGBTQ agenda, open borders, and other culturally destructive measures, then I must say that you are not being hypocritical. However; if "Christianity Today" tacitly approved the more serious transgressions of previous administrations by remaining quiet during those terms, then hypocrissy can be justifiably be alledged in the case of President Trump.

Matthew 7:16-20 King James Version (KJV)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[HankD]

Let me know if this subject is already posted somewhere.

I think this speaks more to CT, than it does to our President.

Trump Should Be Removed from Office
It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.
MARK GALLIDECEMBER 19, 2019

It's amazing that a Christian would seek to punish a man that's committed no crime, and that has been so responsive to Christian political ideas.

But CT is now supporting the sham impeachment and in my view, showing their true Character.

We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.​

I think this says it all. They don't like Trump's stance on life. They want big tent Christianity. The want pro-choice liberals included. I think that's what this is about.

I heard this kind of non-sense from a pulpit a few years ago, and ended leaving the church. "Don't talk about politics to democrats. We want them to come to church with us." Red flag for me, ended up leaving, but this is exactly where CT is coming from.

IMO Christianity Today (CT) is so far left as to be borderline Neo-orthodox.

God allowed rulers in the past with soiled reputations to be in authority and both believers and unbelievers. e.g. David and Nebuchadnezzar.

In addition what/who is the alternative to president Trump that has A REAL POSSIBILITY TO MAKE REAL CHANGE?

Stay with Trump to insure a SCOTUS WITH THE ABILITY TO OVERTHROW ROE v. WADE.

 

[kyredneck]

Trump is no angel

He's My President, Not My Pastor

 

[Calminian]

IMO Christianity Today (CT) is so far left as to be borderline Neo-orthodox.

God allowed rulers in the past with soiled reputations to be in authority and both believers and unbelievers. e.g. David and Nebuchadnezzar.

In addition what/who is the alternative to president Trump that has A REAL POSSIBILITY TO MAKE REAL CHANGE?

Stay with Trump to insure a SCOTUS WITH THE ABILITY TO OVERTHROW ROE v. WADE.

The mag is far left, and I don't believe it's run by Christians anymore. Here's the latest from the Editor.


Horrible. Far Left Christianity Today Editor-in-Chief Compares President Trump to a Wife Beater

The wife beater comment isn't on the video, so not sure when that happened, but it's worth the listen. I'm very glad the President has committed on this mag. It is far left, which is why they run into the arms of CNN, and now Christians will start to realize it.

 

[Revmitchell]

The evidence has been provided. .

None has been provided

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

He's My President, Not My Pastor

"And yes, while I'm at it, I'm praying that he finds enough inner peace to make his second term less stressful and more joyful — for his sake, and for ours."

A good article, but make no mistake, this is a serious fight, so we all need to buck up. The powermongering left will not allow Trump or any of his supporters any outward peace. The progressively devious, malicious left would have to be forcibly shut down for that.

I do not know his inner peace, but I doubt any other man could have so long withstood the constant barrage of vile underhanded attacks launched by the left and yet done so much good for the country. Such a vicious lot are not easily handled.

 

[Calminian]

"And yes, while I'm at it, I'm praying that he finds enough inner peace to make his second term less stressful and more joyful — for his sake, and for ours."

A good article, but make no mistake, this is a serious fight, so we all need to buck up. The powermongering left will not allow Trump or any of his supporters any outward peace. The progressively devious, malicious left would have to be forcibly shut down for that.

I do not know his inner peace, but I doubt any other man could have so long withstood the constant barrage of vile underhanded attacks launched by the left and yet done so much good for the country. Such a vicious lot are not easily handled.

Takes me back to the Carter Reagan debate of 1980. Carter was the pure as snow Southern Baptist Sunday School teacher. Reagan was the Hollywood actor, divorced remarried former democrat who had previously supported abortion and divorce legalization. And, to boot, Nancy was into astrology.

They attacked Falwell Sr. at that time for supporting Reagan. The problem was, as most Christians saw, Carter stood for immoral policies, while Reagan moral policies. In the end, Christians chose moral policy over apparent personal morality. And they were right.

Max Lucado tried to make a similar argument in 2016. He urged Christians to set policy aside and reject Trump based on this personal failings. Christians, again, made the right choice and did not listen to him.

Another article that might be helpful:


How Should Christians Vote? A Question Of Origins

 

[Jerome]

Scores of prominent evangelical Christians unite for letter of protest to CT:

Evangelical leaders denounce Christianity Today's 'Dump Trump' editorial

"We write collectively to express our dissatisfaction with the editorial Christianity Today published on Thursday, December 19, 2019 calling for the removal of our duly elected President, who was put into office at the behest of over sixty million voters."

"Your editorial offensively questioned the spiritual integrity and Christian witness of tens-of-millions of believers who take seriously their civic and moral obligations."

"We are, in fact, not 'far-right' evangelicals as characterized by the author. Rather, we are Bible-believing Christians and patriotic Americans"

"It also came to our attention, that Mr. Galli has written other statements about Americans who chose Donald Trump over Secretary Clinton in 2016, referring to them as 'These other evangelicals often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs, and apparently most of them don’t, they are blue-collar jobs or entry level work' as he describes himself with pride as an 'elite evangelical'."

 

[kyredneck]

I doubt any other man could have so long withstood the constant barrage of vile underhanded attacks launched by the left

Well, they hammered Reagan AND Dubya both pretty hard, but....they sat and took it, Trump counterpunches.

 

[Calminian]

Scores of prominent evangelical Christians unite for letter of protest to CT:

Evangelical leaders denounce Christianity Today's 'Dump Trump' editorial

"We write collectively to express our dissatisfaction with the editorial Christianity Today published on Thursday, December 19, 2019 calling for the removal of our duly elected President, who was put into office at the behest of over sixty million voters."

"Your editorial offensively questioned the spiritual integrity and Christian witness of tens-of-millions of believers who take seriously their civic and moral obligations."

"We are, in fact, not 'far-right' evangelicals as characterized by the author. Rather, we are Bible-believing Christians and patriotic Americans"

"It also came to our attention, that Mr. Galli has written other statements about Americans who chose Donald Trump over Secretary Clinton in 2016, referring to them as 'These other evangelicals often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs, and apparently most of them don’t, they are blue-collar jobs or entry level work' as he describes himself with pride as an 'elite evangelical'."

Very encouraging. In fact, I'm glad CT put this out. They've put out disturbing material for many years and need to be exposed. My hope and prayer is that they'll lose influence over this, which will be a good thing.