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Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed
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Here are quotes from the article:
= Tim Darlymple, took over at Christianity Today just months ago.
Apparently, he was 'Director of Content' at the Patheos website?
Tim Dalrymple
"Tim is a national champion gymnast with degrees from Stanford, Princeton Theological Seminary, and Harvard. A true polymath, he has taught at elite universities, helped to launch the world’s largest religion website"
Apparently, he was 'Director of Content' at the Patheos website?
Tim Dalrymple
"Tim is a national champion gymnast with degrees from Stanford, Princeton Theological Seminary, and Harvard. A true polymath, he has taught at elite universities, helped to launch the world’s largest religion website"
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Galli: we're seeing 3 times as many new subscriptions as cancelled ones!
CNBC • Christianity Today receives boost in new subscriptions after calling for Trump's removal
CNBC • Christianity Today receives boost in new subscriptions after calling for Trump's removal
Reformed1689
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His response wasn't much better than the original editorial was it?
Wow, they ooze self-righteousness. Perhaps lamenting about Trump's sins make them feel better about their own. Shameful group. Glad they're showing their true colors.
From Don Surber:
The rest of the Christianity Today story
"Christianity Today made news this week by calling for the cancellation of the 2016 presidential election by removing President Donald John Trump from office. While Marxists were glee-bitten, the full story is one of deception.
The editorial was a one-fingered salute on the way out by Mark Galli, 67, who announced his retirement in October as the publication's editor-in-chief.
The news media portrayed Galli's opinion as reflecting evangelical conservatives.
That is a lie. Galli admitted that President Donald John Trump was correct in calling Christianity Today a far left magazine.
President Trump tweeted, "A far left magazine, or very progressive, as some would call it, which has been doing poorly and hasn’t been involved with the Billy Graham family for many years, Christianity Today, knows nothing about reading a perfect transcript of a routine phone call and would rather have a Radical Left nonbeliever, who wants to take your religion & your guns, than Donald Trump as your President. No President has done more for the Evangelical community, and it’s not even close. You’ll not get anything from those Dems on stage. I won’t be reading CT again!"
Galli told CNN, "I don't have any imaginations that my editorial is going to shift their views on this matter. The fact of the matter is that Christianity Today is not read by Christians on the far right, by evangelicals on the far right. So, they're going to be as dismissive of the magazine as President Trump has shown to be."
In his editorial, Galli invoked Billy Graham, but the late minister's son, Franklin Graham, said the family long ago disassociated itself from the magazine his father founded in 1956.
NPR gushed over Galli, and gave him a marshmallow-soft interview.
Sometimes, those are the most dangerous because the subject goes unchallenged, which turns into enough rope to hang himself.
Galli told NPR, "It's like a wife who has a husband who's verbally abusive, but he's still a good provider, he's still a good father to his children. She might put up with that and say, 'On the one hand, yeah, he's got a bad temper. On the other hand, he's a great dad and he's a good provider.'
"When that husband begins to physically abuse the wife and actually become physically dangerous, that doesn't balance the scale anymore. And now the real issue is, should this man be in the house or not? And most of us would say he needs to be out of the house."
Is this man for real?
Galli managed not only to malign the president but to malign domestic violence victims.
But he has had his moment in the sun. He can now become the media's pet Christian who will turn on Christians just like John Kasich and Jeff Flake dump on Republicans. "
The rest of the Christianity Today story
"Christianity Today made news this week by calling for the cancellation of the 2016 presidential election by removing President Donald John Trump from office. While Marxists were glee-bitten, the full story is one of deception.
The editorial was a one-fingered salute on the way out by Mark Galli, 67, who announced his retirement in October as the publication's editor-in-chief.
The news media portrayed Galli's opinion as reflecting evangelical conservatives.
That is a lie. Galli admitted that President Donald John Trump was correct in calling Christianity Today a far left magazine.
President Trump tweeted, "A far left magazine, or very progressive, as some would call it, which has been doing poorly and hasn’t been involved with the Billy Graham family for many years, Christianity Today, knows nothing about reading a perfect transcript of a routine phone call and would rather have a Radical Left nonbeliever, who wants to take your religion & your guns, than Donald Trump as your President. No President has done more for the Evangelical community, and it’s not even close. You’ll not get anything from those Dems on stage. I won’t be reading CT again!"
Galli told CNN, "I don't have any imaginations that my editorial is going to shift their views on this matter. The fact of the matter is that Christianity Today is not read by Christians on the far right, by evangelicals on the far right. So, they're going to be as dismissive of the magazine as President Trump has shown to be."
In his editorial, Galli invoked Billy Graham, but the late minister's son, Franklin Graham, said the family long ago disassociated itself from the magazine his father founded in 1956.
NPR gushed over Galli, and gave him a marshmallow-soft interview.
Sometimes, those are the most dangerous because the subject goes unchallenged, which turns into enough rope to hang himself.
Galli told NPR, "It's like a wife who has a husband who's verbally abusive, but he's still a good provider, he's still a good father to his children. She might put up with that and say, 'On the one hand, yeah, he's got a bad temper. On the other hand, he's a great dad and he's a good provider.'
"When that husband begins to physically abuse the wife and actually become physically dangerous, that doesn't balance the scale anymore. And now the real issue is, should this man be in the house or not? And most of us would say he needs to be out of the house."
Is this man for real?
Galli managed not only to malign the president but to malign domestic violence victims.
But he has had his moment in the sun. He can now become the media's pet Christian who will turn on Christians just like John Kasich and Jeff Flake dump on Republicans. "
The odd thing about this is, Trump is attracting more of the minority supporters than any recent republican candidate before him. So it's not the racism they're worried about, in fact they are impugning the integrity of the minorities supporting him.
The real problem they have with Trump are policy differences. They are for open borders. They don't believe in national sovereignty.
And they can't possibly have a problem with divisiveness, in and of itself, as they are attacking the majority of evangelicals. If Trump divided evangelicals by agreeing with CT policies, they'd praise him.
And greed and corruption? While they side with the most corrupt impeachment in American history?
Keep digging CT.
Reformed1689
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Exactly. There is so much falsehood in both the opinion piece and the most recent clarification that you should just throw the articles out from the start. The editors and executives of CT need to repent for their lies.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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The very best that can be said for CT is that the magazine made a huge error in judgment by judging Trump in this matter prior to a Senate trial with both sides presenting. There is no excuse for imagining that the entirely partisan impeachment came anywhere near being fair. Anyone in that camp should have no lead role in public proclamation of the Gospel, as they simply haven't even basic discernment. But what they have really done is far worse than that, for they have done precisely what they falsely accuse other Christians of doing.
Their rebuttal both doubled down on the wrong side of their editorial and failed to rebuke the editor for his egregiously condescending remarks about evangelicals who would disagree with him. Their claim that the support for CT has increased may be the death knell of whatever true Christian influence they may have still had, as the incoming may in fact be those who have nothing good to do with Christ or the Gospel. Time will tell. In any case, to their shame, they have publicly maligned and drawn a line in the sand against good Christian brothers and sisters. Perhaps their mag is better titled "Christianity" Today.
The BIG LIE--Trump's rampant greed corruption and immorality--tell it often enough and people will believe it. The truth is that Trump has behaved rather well since taking office. No trysts with interns in the oval office, or any other womanizing for that matter. The charge of greed is a throwaway. He is rich. He made it himself by a lot of hard bargaining. If that is wrong, no self made billionaire should ever be President. Likewise, I am not aware of any corruption. People throw the word around rather carelessly and I notice they never connect it with specific acts or behavior. It's just an amorphous "corruption." Like I said, the BIG LIE.
It's not just any ol' body, it's Democrats that are rendering the English language meaningless.
Particular
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Where was the outcry to have President Obama removed, as he did more dirty deals, between him and Joe Biden and Hilliary than Trump ever did!
A bunch of claims without foundation
The latest:
Christianity Today Doubles Down: MAGA Movement ‘Enormous Damage to Christian witness’
“Out of love for Jesus and his church, not for political partisanship or intellectual elitism, this is why we feel compelled to say that the alliance of American evangelicalism with this presidency has wrought enormous damage to Christian witness,” Dalrymple writes. “It has alienated many of our children and grandchildren. It has harmed African American, Hispanic American, and Asian American brothers and sisters.”
“While the Trump administration may be well regarded in some countries, in many more the perception of wholesale evangelical support for the administration has made toxic the reputation of the Bride of Christ,” Dalrymple writes.
The irony is, Trump alienated the left by siding with Christians on political issues, like religious freedom and the right to life for the unborn. Trump was loved by the left when he was perceived to be on their side. CT likely had no problem with him at all.
Do we really believe that the world is offended by Trump because he is on his third marriage and sometimes ridicules his enemies? And not because he appoints constructionist judges and supports Israel? Trump is hated because he fights the left, and Christians who don't fight the left have no moral standing to criticize him.
Christianity Today Doubles Down: MAGA Movement ‘Enormous Damage to Christian witness’
“Out of love for Jesus and his church, not for political partisanship or intellectual elitism, this is why we feel compelled to say that the alliance of American evangelicalism with this presidency has wrought enormous damage to Christian witness,” Dalrymple writes. “It has alienated many of our children and grandchildren. It has harmed African American, Hispanic American, and Asian American brothers and sisters.”
“While the Trump administration may be well regarded in some countries, in many more the perception of wholesale evangelical support for the administration has made toxic the reputation of the Bride of Christ,” Dalrymple writes.
The irony is, Trump alienated the left by siding with Christians on political issues, like religious freedom and the right to life for the unborn. Trump was loved by the left when he was perceived to be on their side. CT likely had no problem with him at all.
Do we really believe that the world is offended by Trump because he is on his third marriage and sometimes ridicules his enemies? And not because he appoints constructionist judges and supports Israel? Trump is hated because he fights the left, and Christians who don't fight the left have no moral standing to criticize him.
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sure didn't see a call for Clinton to be removed from office by the Senate.
oh, yes there is:
. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.
that's saying if the Senate won't remove him, the voters should next election. Now, Trump will be the GOP nominee, so he's saying vote for the Democrat nominee. Mr. Religious Left doesn't realize the electoral college is the key, not the "popular vote".
oh, yes there is:
. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.
that's saying if the Senate won't remove him, the voters should next election. Now, Trump will be the GOP nominee, so he's saying vote for the Democrat nominee. Mr. Religious Left doesn't realize the electoral college is the key, not the "popular vote".
Particular
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Nowhere does the editor say "vote for a democrat." You are projecting that thought into his words.
I will not vote for any democrats. I take what the editor said, not what I want it to imply. Nowhere does he tell me to vote democrat.
What he is saying is that President Bush is not providing a Godly example as President.
Certainly the 2020 vote will show us whom it is that God will establish as the US President. At the moment I will not be supporting either elite party candidate.
Very obviously implied. No Trump reelection means democrat in office, which is what the leftist CT desires. These guys are globalist leftist. IMO, they're not even Christians.
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