Christianity Today: Trump Should Be Removed

[Reformed1689]

So, will you call out his sin by not voting for a Christian who is not representing Christ well to the world? Or will you ignore his Christian testimony and vote because...
Does the ends justify the means?

And we are back to confusing the roles of church and state.

 

[Reformed1689]

It has to do with a Christian who is the POTUS.

No, it actually doesn't.

 

[777]

still don;t see any call for Clinton to resign or be impeached. But then he had that magic D by HIS name, the Religious Left never changes

More on Mark Galli's mainline, liberal, hippie background:

Mark Galli, immersed in mainline/liberal Christianity for over four decades

"From the mid-’60s until 1989, I was a member, and then a minister, in what is now called PC(USA), the mainline Presbyterian church. The next 14 years, I was a member of the Episcopal Church."

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look where he's from and the churches he's been associated with.

. The next 14 years, I was a member of the Episcopal Church. For over four decades, I had been embedded in mainline/liberal Christianity. And most in this tradition assume that the church’s purpose is to make the world a better place. This is not held by everyone, everywhere in the mainline, nor is it always said in just this way. But it is clearly a widespread assumption.

LOL.

 

[Particular]

And we are back to confusing the roles of church and state.

No.
You are back to avoiding calling out sin in a Christian who is the President of the United States.
You are simply denying your responsibility.

 

[Reformed1689]

No.
You are back to avoiding calling out sin in a Christian who is the President of the United States.
You are simply denying your responsibility.

No, again, you are making a false accusation. But calling out sin does not equal removal from a NON CHURCH office. You are confusing church and state.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

This entire thread is about the CT article calling in Donald Trump to repent and be removed from office. This is what I have consistently addressed.

The issue is not just citing offenses, but singling out Trump when a whole host of Dems and media (and others) are equally guilty, if not far more so, then uncritically siding with an entirely partisan House Dem impeachment which has not even been presented in the Senate.

In their rush to judgment, CT is showing their true colors, which are far from pure, and in fact have very antibiblical overtones, including wanting an agenda of sexual immorality to prosper, calling its failure to do so lately degenerate. Outrageous.

These CT spokesmen even try to deceive by claiming they are not being political, but all of this, and their calling for Trump's removal from office, is entirely political. Not only that, but the latter is not only unbiblical, it's unconstitutional. They have no valid basis, so they are in effect encouraging a criminal act of the highest order.

Applying their own standards, the right thing to do would be to shut them down along with their magazine until they all repent. How about it, CT? Show us how it's done. Better yet, have some of those who have called you out, set you on the right track and help you word the repentant retraction. As far out in left field as you are, you are unlikely to do a good job left to your own devices.

 

[Calminian]

Does the POTUS, who is a Christian, not represent Christ?....

You sure Trump is a Christian? I'm not so sure. I think he's on a journey, but not sure his standing at this point.

But he's a good governing authority, fighting evil and protecting the innocent. I commend him for this. He's done much more for suffering Christians and the unborn than you have. In many moral aspects, you could learn a thing or two from him. I pray you'll see the error of your ways, and the obsession you have with another man's sin (not realizing you're no better, and much worse in some areas).

 

[Calminian]

The issue is not just citing offenses, but singling out Trump when a whole host of Dems and media (and others) are equally guilty, if not far more so, then uncritically siding with an entirely partisan House Dem impeachment which has not even been presented in the Senate.

In their rush to judgment, CT is showing their true colors, which are far from pure, and in fact have very antibiblical overtones, including wanting an agenda of sexual immorality to prosper, calling its failure to do so lately degenerate. Outrageous.

These CT spokesmen even try to deceive by claiming they are not being political, but all of this, and their calling for Trump's removal from office, is entirely political. Not only that, but the latter is not only unbiblical, it's unconstitutional. They have no valid basis, so they are in effect encouraging a criminal act of the highest order.

Applying their own standards, the right thing to do would be to shut them down along with their magazine until they all repent. How about it, CT? Show us how it's done. Better yet, have some of those who have called you out, set you on the right track and help you word the repentant retraction. As far out in left field as you are, you are unlikely to do a good job left to your own devices.

And in so doing, they've simply exposed themselves. They're like the pharisees who dazzle with their dress and appearance, but are dead men on the inside. I'd much rather have a President like Trump, rough on the outside, but continually accomplishing good.

 

[Particular]

You sure Trump is a Christian? I'm not so sure. I think he's on a journey, but not sure his standing at this point.

He claims to be a Christian. He is therefore held to the standards of all Christians.

But he's a good governing authority, fighting evil and protecting the innocent.

Which Innocents? His record on assisting immigrants and refugee's is questionable at best.
I suspect you are referring to the unborn. I appreciate his support.

I commend him for this. He's done much more for suffering Christians and the unborn than you have.

Do you mean personally or by virtue of his executive decisions?
I would have to see what he has personally done to help those who are suffering and the unborn. My guess is I am at minimum equal to him.
Since God has not placed me in the same executive position, there is no way I could compare him to me.

In many moral aspects, you could learn a thing or two from him.

Perhaps. Please list them.

I pray you'll see the error of your ways, and the obsession you have with another man's sin (not realizing you're no better, and much worse in some areas).

Where do I ever claim to be better. If I am in a leadership position and claim to be a Christian, I am expected to honor my King.
What does Galatians 6 tell us about sin in the community?

Galatians 6:1-10 Brothers,if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. For each will have to bear his own load. Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

What does Jesus tell us about addressing sin?

Matthew 18:15-17 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

 

[Particular]

And in so doing, they've simply exposed themselves. They're like the pharisees who dazzle with their dress and appearance, but are dead men on the inside. I'd much rather have a President like Trump, rough on the outside, but continually accomplishing good.

Odd comment.
You don't see the far right as Pharisaical? Huh. That's interesting.

 

[Calminian]

He claims to be a Christian. He is therefore held to the standards of all Christians.

That's 7/8th of the country. No, that's silly. Do you call out in-laws that visit during the holidays that are Catholic and shun them for their false doctrine? Of course not.

Many many people think they are Christians. I did for years before I repented one day some 27 years ago. God does not want us to immediately attack them. You bring them along, and patiently endure, especially if they're going in the right direction. With this criterion, you'd have to remove every president in our nation's history.

You'd do well looking in the mirror. I'm much more concerned about you and your extreme tactics than about Trump.

Trump has a fantastic record of fighting for the innocent, and punishing the guilty. The guilty also includes phony refugees who try to cut in line in front of legal immigrants. This is a scam that's hurt many and has costs lives. The guilty also includes illegal immigrants that violate our laws to cut in front of legal immigrants. If you support illegal immigration, you are actually showing hate toward legal immigrants, who want to move here and assimilate.

I suspect you are referring to the unborn. I appreciate his support.

No you don't. If you really looked at this as a holocaust, you would support Trump and his efforts. You're turning your back on the unborn due to your hatred of the man trying to help them. That's not an act of love.

Most of those who attack Trump are no better than Trump. Most are far worse, in fact. That's why he's getting so much Christians support, and will continue to. We see right though your disingenuousness.

 

[Calminian]

Odd comment.
You don't see the far right as Pharisaical? Huh. That's interesting.

The far right? IOWs, pro life Christians (who actual vote pro-life). Ah your true colors.

 

[Particular]

That's 7/8th of the country. No, that's silly. Do you call out in-laws that visit during the holidays that are Catholic and shun them for their false doctrine? Of course not.

Many many people think they are Christians. I did for years before I repented one day some 27 years ago. God does not want us to immediately attack them. You bring them along, and patiently endure, especially if they're going in the right direction. With this criterion, you'd have to remove every president in our nation's history.

You'd do well looking in the mirror. I'm much more concerned about you and your extreme tactics than about Trump.

Trump has a fantastic record of fighting for the innocent, and punishing the guilty. The guilty also includes phony refugees who try to cut in line in front of legal immigrants. This is a scam that's hurt many and has costs lives. The guilty also includes illegal immigrants that violate our laws to cut in front of legal immigrants. If you support illegal immigration, you are actually showing hate toward legal immigrants, who want to move here and assimilate.



No you don't. If you really looked at this as a holocaust, you would support Trump and his efforts. You're turning your back on the unborn due to your hatred of the man trying to help them. That's not an act of love.

Most of those who attack Trump are no better than Trump. Most are far worse, in fact. That's why he's getting so much Christians support, and will continue to. We see right though your disingenuousness.

You are displaying situational ethics and telling me why the ends justify the means.

 

[Calminian]

You are displaying situational ethics and telling me why the ends justify the means.

Actually that's what you're doing. You don't like Trump's politics on immigration so you nitpick him. That's about as situational as it gets.

Thankfully, the Church, by and large, isn't falling for this. The same thing was tried during the Carter Reagan election.

 

[xlsdraw]

You are displaying situational ethics and telling me why the ends justify the means.

I have not seen one ounce of humility or charity in your many posts. You come off as a holier-than-thou condescending hypocrite. Which is likely why you have ended up in numerous conflicts since joining this forum. Perhaps You should examine yourself and work on your own deficiencies rather than what you have practiced to this point on this Christian forum.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Which Innocents? His record on assisting immigrants and refugee's is questionable at best.

Leftist propaganda. Progressives have been hell-bent on supporting human trafficking, partially in an effort to overwhelm the country with illegal aliens. They have been luring illegals here by the thousands, aiding them in entering and staying, thus creating a severe border crisis, as well as a national crisis. Ultimately, their goal is political power, which they use only for themselves, not for the good of the country.

 

[Particular]

The far right? IOWs, pro life Christians (who actual vote pro-life). Ah your true colors.

What's the color of the flag of the Kingdom of God. Those are my true colors.
What does IOWs mean? Is it the same as MAGA?

 

[Particular]

Actually that's what you're doing. You don't like Trump's politics on immigration so you nitpick him. That's about as situational as it gets.

Thankfully, the Church, by and large, isn't falling for this. The same thing was tried during the Carter Reagan election.

I actually believe we should wisely vet immigrants.
Where I disagree is with the dehumanizing comments made toward immigrants that President Trump has made.
Remember, we're talking about the moral character of a leader who calls himself a Christian, not the policies he has enacted.
Once again you are leaning on situational ethics.
Calminian, does the ends justify the means?

 

[Calminian]

What's the color of the flag of the Kingdom of God. Those are my true colors.
What does IOWs mean? Is it the same as MAGA?

Is MAGA sin?

 

[Particular]

I have not seen one ounce of humility or charity in your many posts. You come off as a holier-than-thou condescending hypocrite. Which is likely why you have ended up in numerous conflicts since joining this forum. Perhaps You should examine yourself and work on your own deficiencies rather than what you have practiced to this point on this Christian forum.

I'm sorry you view me as arrogant. That is not my intent. My intent is and has been to point out that CT has a legitimate point and we Christians cannot decry situational ethics in the unsaved when we are openly displaying the same form of ethics by supporting an unrepentant President who declares himself to be a Christian. The name of Christ is being sullied by our hypocrisy. The world very clearly sees it and we don't care. That is sad.