Christians resisting God?

[Marcia]

We have been on issue.....here is the issue;

a) Rebellion forms new governments. Without rebellion against an existing government there would never be any new governments.

b) Col 1:16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Did the founding fathers create the USA or did God?

Scripture states it was God. God used these men and we know that the founding fathers rebelled against the King.

Why did they rebel? Because God wanted them to so that a new power would be established. Yet God is without blame and without sin!

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

God's ways are always righteous, even when He commanded men to kill even the children because their parents had sinned.

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I don't think all governments come from rebellion. In fact, that is not a fact. Many leaders succeed previous leaders. Some governments are formed peacefully. Even when they come from rebellion, that is a result of sin. It does not make it okay.

I still don't think you get my point - God is behind the power of all rulers and governments but that does not mean they are from God or are godly. I don't know how to say it more clearly than that, and that is what I've been saying all along.

I do not think God incited the colonists to rebel - God allowed it and worked through it for his own purposes. That does not mean the rebellion was good. In fact, violent overthrow of rulers goes against Rom 13 so it is not good.

The cases we know of where God commanded men to kill is not a valid analogy. For one thing, we know God commanded this because it's in the Bible. We have no evidence God commanded the colonists to rebel. Secondly, God used men as a tool of punishment and judgment on the pagan nations; this is recorded so we know that is true. We have no such statement for anything like this after the OT.

I think we cannot agree because it seems you think God is the first cause of every action (that He directly causes people to do everything, including sin), which I strongly disagree with.

 

[steaver]

I do not think God incited the colonists to rebel - God allowed it and worked through it for his own purposes.

I think we cannot agree because it seems you think God is the first cause of every action (that He directly causes people to do everything, including sin), which I strongly disagree with.

Cause verses Allows. Sounds like a good topic. I'll start a thread on it.

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