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Church members who have not been attending

Shadowlands

Member
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You want someone to stop attending church (other than for good cause: military service,
medical, so forth) based on your actions, or inaction?

I stopped going to church for good cause (at least locally): in a fairly good sized community,
but still small enough to where everybody practically knows everybody. That's how people
develop this 'Mayberry'-complex, and Christian's are no exception. You be suprised how
the word of an unsaved person, who may very well be a respected pillar in the community,
but is still unsaved, is accepted more as "gospel" and then complains to the Pastor over
something you either did wrong, or you didn't, but it makes no difference.

Most Christian's, Pastor's most definitely, will err on the side of caution and assume wrongdoing.
After all, it's the day and age we live in, right?

You're brought before the Pastor to answer for your 'indiscretions' while you're not given the chance
to explain your side of the story.

I've been a member of this church from 1998 to 2015.

I'm an investigator. I also work for a born-again Christian bailbondsman who occasionally requests my
services to "go git 'em". I do have the credentials to qualify my line of work. I also work part time for
a well-known pizza franchise. When I arrest a bail jumper, I have a captive audience when I share
the Gospel (very careful not to cast my pearls before swine). All I can do is counsel and release to
the sheriff of the jurisdiction he fled from. I will not pursue, let alone arrest a female bond jumper.
Too messy.

So what's the problem?

I investigated someone fleeing another state. He used to live here and has family and friends
here as well. His major vice is pornography, and we have two porn palaces in our city. One is
too many, let alone two. I went to both palaces, ID'd myself and handed the wanted flyers to
the proprietor and one proprietress. Yes, I know what was around me, and yes, I'm aware of
the clientele there. When I ID'd myself, showed the flyers, three customers walked out the
door.

So, what exactly is the problem again?

A local, well-to-do-businessman, with notability in the community said he passed by this
place, after picking up his vehicle from the auto repair shop four blocks way, recognized
me because we met at my church awhile back. He called the Pastor and pretty much ratted
me out. After the Pastor spoke with me in his office, he wouldn't listen to a thing I said.

Three days later I received a letter in the mail, informing me that I've been placed on suspension
for six months for "unChristian activity". I was not to contact any of the members or church officers
for any reason, pending full time Christian counseling.

Two weeks later, one of the women who heard about it all, from my (former) church walked up to me
at WalMart telling me "No Christian has any business in that line of work! I've seen enough television,
and I read the newspaper! That's ungodly work and the Bible say's you are to to separate yourself from
all ungodliness!" And she walks away.

A couple of stranger's standing nearby were put off, and one of them remarked: "What's her malfunction?"

So, one can surmise that I've been more than removed from the church mailing list.

I know you didn't ask for all this, but someone has to say something when (some) Pastor's
write checks their egos can't cash.
 

Salty

20,000 Posts Club
Administrator
Uh, I said, "During the Gulf War we had men in the mid-east who were members of mission churches . . . "
Can I claim advanced age syndrome???

Somehow I missed that - so as a member of a mission church - they are also members of the mother church - so that would be another story.
 

Salty

20,000 Posts Club
Administrator
Shadowlands - I "love" where the women said "I've seen enough television,"
My basic philosophy is generally "Dont complain about someones job unless you have done it."

I trust that you will be able to find a Christ-like church in the near future.
BTW, I am one to listen to both sides of the story.

Our prayers are with you.

Salty
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
Can I claim advanced age syndrome???
No! I am older than you! :D:D:D

Somehow I missed that - so as a member of a mission church - they are also members of the mother church - so that would be another story.
The mission churches two of our men were attending had both progressed to the point they were no longer under the sending church. They were independent and in the process of training indigenous pastors.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Reformed Baptist stated in another thread (post # 8) " there are churches with memberships in that massively out number their regular attendance - that isn't right, that is a schism in the body (all those in nonattandence should be removed from the membership).

So lets talk about that - How long should pass before a church dismisses a member - or should they be put on an inactive list.
How about a military member who does a three year tour of duty overseas - what status should he be.

How many visits should be made before action is taken?
Suppose a member joins a cult - say a Mormon church - what action should be taken?

Open for discussion.
It is really a matter for individual churches to determine for themselves.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Fully agree - but when a church is making policy on this - what are some considerations?
It has only been a problem at our church when close votes will be held. People I have not seen in years show up to vote.
 

JohnDeereFan

Well-Known Member
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Reformed Baptist stated in another thread (post # 8) " there are churches with memberships in that massively out number their regular attendance - that isn't right, that is a schism in the body (all those in nonattandence should be removed from the membership).

So lets talk about that - How long should pass before a church dismisses a member - or should they be put on an inactive list.
How about a military member who does a three year tour of duty overseas - what status should he be.

How many visits should be made before action is taken?
Suppose a member joins a cult - say a Mormon church - what action should be taken?

Open for discussion.

Depends on the member. If they just leave and you never hear from them again, I don't think there's any given time frame, but three months sounds about right. Church discipline would have to be applied in absentia.

If it's somebody you know is not attending or participating for a reason (eg. snowbirds, shut in, illness in the family, work, military deployment, etc) then, obviously, you would work with them to determine that it isn't a spiritual problem and find a compromise to see how they could serve and be served by the church the best they can in their current situation.

If somebody defects to another religion like Mormonism, then, obviously, that's a whole different set of problems. Church discipline and heavy counselling is needed and if it turns out that they have left the faith, then, obviously you drop them from the rolls.
 

JohnDeereFan

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Now that we have discuss the military issue at length - -
how about those members in the local area.
Suppose they have not attended for a full year -
What action does your church take - before dismissal
Is there a minimum number of contacts - ie letter, phone calls, visits, ect?

In our church, it wouldn't get that far. We understand that people have issues that come up and may not be able to attend every Sunday and we don't make attendance a law. We're not Catholics with "days of obligation". But that being said, we notice when people aren't there and a gentle, "Hey, didn't see you yesterday in church. Just calling to make sure everything's OK" is usually sufficient.

If the answer is "My husband and kids are sick" then we take them some food and ask how we can minister to them.

If they're regular attenders and the answer is, "We just haven't had any time as a family this week so we decided to spend the day at the beach together", that's fine.

If there is no reason and it's an ongoing thing, then we ask if there's anything wrong and how we can help. If necessary, we start discipline.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
You want someone to stop attending church (other than for good cause: military service,
medical, so forth) based on your actions, or inaction?

I stopped going to church for good cause (at least locally): in a fairly good sized community,
but still small enough to where everybody practically knows everybody. That's how people
develop this 'Mayberry'-complex, and Christian's are no exception. You be suprised how
the word of an unsaved person, who may very well be a respected pillar in the community,
but is still unsaved, is accepted more as "gospel" and then complains to the Pastor over
something you either did wrong, or you didn't, but it makes no difference.

Most Christian's, Pastor's most definitely, will err on the side of caution and assume wrongdoing.
After all, it's the day and age we live in, right?

You're brought before the Pastor to answer for your 'indiscretions' while you're not given the chance
to explain your side of the story.

I've been a member of this church from 1998 to 2015.

I'm an investigator. I also work for a born-again Christian bailbondsman who occasionally requests my
services to "go git 'em". I do have the credentials to qualify my line of work. I also work part time for
a well-known pizza franchise. When I arrest a bail jumper, I have a captive audience when I share
the Gospel (very careful not to cast my pearls before swine). All I can do is counsel and release to
the sheriff of the jurisdiction he fled from. I will not pursue, let alone arrest a female bond jumper.
Too messy.

So what's the problem?

I investigated someone fleeing another state. He used to live here and has family and friends
here as well. His major vice is pornography, and we have two porn palaces in our city. One is
too many, let alone two. I went to both palaces, ID'd myself and handed the wanted flyers to
the proprietor and one proprietress. Yes, I know what was around me, and yes, I'm aware of
the clientele there. When I ID'd myself, showed the flyers, three customers walked out the
door.

So, what exactly is the problem again?

A local, well-to-do-businessman, with notability in the community said he passed by this
place, after picking up his vehicle from the auto repair shop four blocks way, recognized
me because we met at my church awhile back. He called the Pastor and pretty much ratted
me out. After the Pastor spoke with me in his office, he wouldn't listen to a thing I said.

Three days later I received a letter in the mail, informing me that I've been placed on suspension
for six months for "unChristian activity". I was not to contact any of the members or church officers
for any reason, pending full time Christian counseling.

Two weeks later, one of the women who heard about it all, from my (former) church walked up to me
at WalMart telling me "No Christian has any business in that line of work! I've seen enough television,
and I read the newspaper! That's ungodly work and the Bible say's you are to to separate yourself from
all ungodliness!" And she walks away.

A couple of stranger's standing nearby were put off, and one of them remarked: "What's her malfunction?"

So, one can surmise that I've been more than removed from the church mailing list.

I know you didn't ask for all this, but someone has to say something when (some) Pastor's
write checks their egos can't cash.
Bro....you are dealing with a cult. Sorry to say.
 

David Kent

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
I think that pretty much sums it up, although ours is 6 months. Of course there are always cases when exceptions will be made to rules in certain circumstances but in reality if someone has been part of the church for any length of time then why have their names on a list of paper - what good are you doing that person by keeping them on your books (to my mind you are merely legitimizing their absence).
Our church rules state that any member who does not attend communion in six moths should be visited by the pastor. Although they don't say what happens after that.
As regards to visiting students we believe they should continue to be members of their own church where they will return during their holidays. Our church has a policy of only allowing members to assist in any activities, however small. As we are a very small church this presented us with a problem when we had some very commited young students, so we added associate membership for those, on agreement with their own church. This did not allow them to vote at members metings.
 

Reynolds

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Our church rules state that any member who does not attend communion in six moths should be visited by the pastor. Although they don't say what happens after that.
As regards to visiting students we believe they should continue to be members of their own church where they will return during their holidays. Our church has a policy of only allowing members to assist in any activities, however small. As we are a very small church this presented us with a problem when we had some very commited young students, so we added associate membership for those, on agreement with their own church. This did not allow them to vote at members metings.
Our pastor only visits his close friends. If you are not on that list, you are out of luck. When I was deacon chairman, we had some huge dust ups over that issue.
 

Salty

20,000 Posts Club
Administrator
Our pastor only visits his close friends. If you are not on that list, you are out of luck. When I was deacon chairman, we had some huge dust ups over that issue.


Sounds like he was not doing his job
 

Billx

Member
Site Supporter
Our constitution stated that after 3 months of non-attendance a member's name was dropped from the membership roll.

The exceptions were military service, away at college/school, medical reasons, and other exceptions approved by the pastor/deacons.

Traditionally we have had the provision one year without attendance or support. I don't have any feeling beyond that. Through lack of attendance people remove themselves. I make two or thee visits during the year and if they fail to attend there is nothing except prayer to offer. At the same time I feel both a sense of loss and personal failure. However, I do get over it.
 

Billx

Member
Site Supporter
I agree that absent and unknown memberships are a big problem in Baptist churches in America -- almost all of them. If a member is "non-attending," to all intents and purposes they are not members and should be removed from the membership roll. I don't favor inactive lists, as it appears to me in New Testament times you were either a participating members of the congregation or you were not.

As to how long, we don't have a standing rule (i.e., action if taken if a person doesn't attend in "X" period of time). I don't think a standing rule is a bad thing, we just have never had one. We're small enough that what we do works for us, and ultimately all cases are examined on a case-by-case basis anyway. Visits should be made before action is taken, but ideally the visits should be made prior to the problem developing, for the church to find out why a person is not attending.

Away in the military, sick, invalid, mission/evangelistic work and such things are reasons a person might maintain membership in the home church while not able to attend. Again case-by-case basis. For example, if a member goes away to college or is away in military service, the ideal expectation is for them to join a church of like faith and order. But churches of like faith and order do not exist in all places. Two options seem to be (1) if possible, try to start one, or (2) maintain communication with the home church so they know you are not drop out.

If a member joins another church without communicating with us, they will be dropped from the roll. It does not have to be a cult. If they join another church that we consider a cult/false religion/false church, even if they communicate with us, they will be excluded from membership.

Couldn't they just be on the prayer list to fulfill this same purpose?
 

Billx

Member
Site Supporter
I'm some situations when there is a problem in church the trouble makers are energized by the controversy and they encourage non-attenders to come and vote for their issue. Just one of several reasons to maintain clean records. We continue to support them with care and prayer.

Military persons have always been maintained unless they ask r
For transfer. If after discharge they do not attend, remove.
 
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