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Churches Rarely Reprimand Members

robycop3

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Forgiveness? Certainly. Restoration of Leadership? Never!

Proverba 6:32 He who commits adultery with a woman is void of understanding. He who does it destroys his own soul.
33 He will get wounds and dishonor. His reproach will not be wiped away.

He can be restored to fellowship but if restored to leadership he will bring dishonor and reproach to the office he holds. That reproach, that reputation, will follow him for the rest of his life.

Even you, Cranston, still question his conduct, wondering about, but seeing no evidence for, his again committing adultery.

When I was a young man there was a neighbor boy who lived down the street. He liked to imitate his daddy. One day his daddy hung a beautiful new door on their house. It had been hand carved and beautifully hand stained.

The next morning the parents were awakened by pounding. Dad jumped out of bed and ran to the living room and there was little Freddy pounding nails into that beautiful new door.

Dad exploded! Little Freddy just looked at his dad and said, "No problem, daddy. If you don't like the nails I will just pull them out.

Even when all the nails were gone, the scars still remained. The door was permanently ruined.

The life of an adulterer is much the same. Even though the sin is gone, the scars remain, and can never be wiped away. If he returns to leadership he brings that reproach to that office with him, and not only demeans the office, but the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

God has set some standards for His Pastors/Deacons. It would behoove us to learn them. Understand them. And obey them.

Its time we started taking sin as seriously as God does.

His new position is several states away. He basically started over. And I have no idea, nor will I pry to see what the members/leadership of his present church know of his sin. That's between he, his wife, that church, and GOD. I have no horse in that race.

BTW, he was NOT restored to membership of his original church.
 

James Otto

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I would argue that a Biblically faithful congregation of believers MUST, if needed, rise to the occasion of applying discipline.
I was co-leading a youth group with a young Pastor I had followed all over the countryside calling on some of the most unlikely of people . . . This Pastor was the real deal, despite his youth and relative inexperience.
Our youth group was a typical cross section of the children of a typical community, so we had all sorts of behavior, good, bad, otherwise . . . One girl, a granddaughter of two of the four dominant families in the area (thus in the congregation) and also a great granddaughter of the other two, became pregnant (obviously out of wedlock and outside the moral standards of not only Biblical Christians but most communities at the time). The Pastor immediately expelled her from all activities in the youth group and called a special meeting with her and a deacon to address her behavior and its consequences as far as her membership. She remained unrepentant, and he forbade her to come back to the youth group until she would come and apologize to the congregation for her misconduct and ask for accountability and help in pursuing a Godly life from that point forward.
The deacons called him on the carpet and demanded that he apologize at the next Church session. Of course he refused and offered his resignation at that next session.
I did not return there for several years, but instead transferred my membership to another Baptist Church.
During those years, I encountered several of the other young ladies with whom I had worked in that youth group, only to discover that they had two things in common, unwed pregnancy and an immutable personal conviction that the Pastor had been wrong, had been rightly run out of the Church and had been completely outside the realm of Biblical Christianity by not accepting the pregnant girl as part of the youth group.
Obviously none of those girls, now women, are living for the Lord today or raising children who are even the least bit likely to do so. Their morals, if they had not already been corrupt before the Church failed monumentally in its duty to exercise discipline, were certainly corrupt after that failure. I would solidly argue that the Church's failure led to the first immoral girl corrupting the rest.
One of the young women actually told me that Churches needed to protect their members from Pastors who would alienate people by such offensive actions as preaching against unwed pregnancy and that she was proud her family had chased away the good Pastor for doing so.
I responded that if the Pastor must avoid the subject of unwed pregnancy for her sake and gender dysphoria for another family, what if a thief were in the audience? Must the Pastor refrain from counsel against theft?
What sins, if any, would be permissible to preach against?
She did not reply, but in doing so, I think she unwittingly gave me her honest answer.
 
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tyndale1946

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The Baptist News Global article, where I first saw the survey referenced, mentioned heresy and co-habitation.

Co-habitation has been addressed I would like to address the topic of heresy... An ordained preacher got up in our pulpit and preached on Universal Salvation... The problem is in our belief we believe in Election, this is heresy... He may have preached again but not from our pulpit... Enough said!... Brother Glen:)
 
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James Otto

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Although I am still quite unconvinced about election as referred to in the TULIP acrostic signifying limited atonement, I would have to say that if your Church constitution and core beliefs are contravened or contradicted by a guest speaker, then it is the responsibility of the congregation to either re-evaluate their constitution and core beliefs or prevent that speaker from using their pulpit.
If you call it heresy, then it is contingent upon you to demonstrate the validity of that claim to your congregation and to call for their action accordingly.
If you are wrong and are proven so from the Scriptures, then you are responsible for that knowledge and how you handle it, keeping in mind the omnipotent, omniscient, Holy One Who sees your thoughts and knows your heart.
What I was saying was not to single out cohabitation but to point out that if that Church had exercised proper discipline as instructed in the Scriptures, then that girl (now a woman) would not have had that youth group as a forum to spread her corruption to other girls (also now women), and that the Church was delinquent in not only allowing its auspices to be used to promote and propagate contra-Biblical behavior but also chasing God's appointed leader for their congregation away from his (literally) sacred duty for the unpardonable offense of trying to defend his flock from such subversion.
Church discipline is a necessary tool to protect from immorality, be it in flesh or in spirit.
 
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