COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[Alofa Atu]

...John 20:19 ...

In scripture, though, there are several "evenings". The "evening" of about 3 PM to sunset, known as the "going down of the sun":

Exo 29:39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even:

Mat_16:2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

Then there is another and final "evening" which brings the next day as in Genesis 1, this "evening" is known as the beginning of the "day", see Genesis 1, etc.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Therefore, when we are reading Mark, Luke and John, we need to take that into consideration. Look again:

Luk_24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

We can see that they (disciples and Jesus) were still walking to Emmaus while it was yet "day" (light out, with the sun still out), and yet it began to grow late in the day, and the sun was beginning to go down. It was getting near supper time. It was not yet night (sun down). Yet, while they eat, Jesus makes known who He is, and vanishes from their sight (no, Jesus is not aethereal, He is simply invisible to their eyes), and they being astonished, run all the way back to Jerusalem where the other disciples were hiding behind closed doors. Now the distance from Emmaus to Jerusalem, we are told, is "threescore furlongs" ("A Greek measure of length, being 600 Greek ft., or 100 orguiai equal to 606 3/4 English ft., and thus somewhat less than a furlong, which is 660 ft." - Link and thus is about 7-8 Miles as we would know them).

7-8 Miles is a long way to run when the sun is setting, going back uphill (Jerusalem, the city on a hill). This would take several hours. It would be dark, by the time these reached Jerusalem and the other disciples, being the final "evening" (when the sun did set, see Mark 1:32).

Therefore, when John says, "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."

We know the timeframe it refers to. It was the end of the first day of the week, in the "evening", when the sun was set, which in reality, is another way of saying the 'second [day] of the week', contextually. The text refers to the "evening" at the end of the "first [day] of the week" which scripturally means the actual "second [day] of the week". I am not rewriting the text here. I am simply demonstrating that John is using a parallel language to say the same thing another way. It would be akin to saying the "Robe is purple.", and another person saying, the "Robe is a mixture of the shades of red and blue."

Thus is was in actuality the second day of the week that Jesus appeared to them. Then we see another appearnce "after eight days", which would place the following meeting, again, no matter how it is calculated (inclusive or exclusive), not upon the "first [day] of the week", but either the second or third:

Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

There is no consistent meeting only upon the "first day of the week" in all of the New Testament. Jesus met with the disciples for 40 days. Jesus met with the disciples 10 days before Pentecost (if we say it is the first [day] of the week, which is properly fine), then this is not a first [day] of the week.

The New Testament states that the disciples (as Jesus and all Jews have before; Luke 22:53, etc), met every day:

Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act_2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act_5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Act_6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

etc.

Yet, notice that the "daily" (1-7) meeting, never replaces the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD as the Holy Day of God's rest. See Acts 4:24, 14:15-16, 17:30; Luke 23:54-56; Acts 1:12, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 4; Revelation 1:10, 14:7, etc.

Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act_15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

etc.

Finally, "Sunday" is pagan Roman time, from Midnight to Midnight, and not from scriptural Evening to Evening. The times overlap, true, but are not the same in their hours. If persons want to say that the disciples got together on the first day of the week, using most of the NT texts, they will find it was usually at "evening" (night time), not during the primary daylight hours or morning times.

John 20:19, does not help the case of Sunday, one bit. ...

 

[Alofa Atu]

You were shown the Scriptures, besides Col. 2:16 that shows Christians began meeting to worship on SUNDAYS, ...

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. ...

This is an evening meeting, after Sabbath was over, for we see lights, and evening meals being eaten, and timeframe of preaching to Midnight and beyond. There is no "Sunday" service here. The day, scripturally begins at "evening" (Genesis 1, etc), and thus it is technically what the western mind would call "Saturday night".

There is no continual pattern here, as it is a special meeting and farewell for Paul, who is forever leaving them, and because of the events of Eutychus.

The disciples eat a common meal, as they did every day, for there is no mention of the "cup", "Lord's table or supper", etc. The phrase in koine Greek is again demonstrative that the 7th day the sabbath is the culmination of the week, "εν δε τη μια των σαββατων", as every single "first [day]" text reveals. There is no special designation for the day. There is no continual pattern. This is a one-off event amidst a series of one-off events.

Even as a pattern, it is at night time, held until midnight and beyond. Do you really follow this as an example robycop 3 for your practice, and if not, why not?

 

[Alofa Atu]

...1 Cor. 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

This is instruction by Paul, for the believers to gather their special collection offering for the poor in the dearth (famine) in Jerusalem, etc., at home by themselves ("every one of you (individual) lay by him (that is personal, at home) in store (personal storehouse)") and when Paul came by, they were to all have it ready for him and others to take.

There is no church meeting here. It is a personal matter to be dealt with at home after Sabbath was over. Also, the instruction was specific to the needs in Jerusalem in the time of famine. It was a special collection for those saints in the trouble. There is no mention of "worship", "temple", "synagogue", "house to house", "meeting", "Lord's supper", "breaking of bread", etc here. There is no continual gathering "together" here either, as the instruction was to do this personally, individually at home (even the koine Greek is clear on this).

Yet, again in the koine Greek, we see yet once more that the 7th day the Sabbath is still (and always) the culmination of the week, while the 'first [day]" is still simply a number in relation to God's rest, "κατα μιαν σαββατων"

 

[Alofa Atu]

The whole "SUNDAY" thing is quite imaginary, requiring all manner of 'special pleading', 'incorrect apriori', 'eisegesis', and 'ad hoc'.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... Now, the same 7 days of the week have been recognized since time immemorial ...

Truth. What has changed then? God's rest, the 7th day, is as a block chain event, locked forever in the past, who dare seek to alter it?

... , with the first day of the week being the one we call Sunday in English. ...

Actually, No. Sunday is not the "first [day] of the week" according to scripture.

Sunday is Pagan Roman time., midnight to midnight.
The "first [day] of the week" is scriptural time, evening unto evening.

While the two times do over lap, they are not the same time reckoning.

And we see JESUS didn't object!

Jesus always objects to sin (1 John 3:4).

Jesus never objects to meeting any day of the week, see the references already cited. Yet, Jesus would object to transgression of the 7th day, for vain tradition.

Now, we know Jesus was resurrected before the women went to His tomb, which they didn't do on the Sabbath. so there's absolutely no mistake about twhat day of the week it was.

There is no question as to what day Jesus arose from the dead. It was the "first [day] of the week", the day which followed the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD, see Luke 23:54-56, etc. That is not in question at all. It is merely distraction to bring it up.

Last Supper was 'thursday night', beginning of the 'sixth day'.
Crucifixion and Death was 'sixth day'.
In the Tomb was Sabbath, the 7th day.
Resurrection was 'first [day] of the week'

All are required. All needful. None of it changes the Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), nor negates obedience to it in all that it says. Jesus death proves its eternality.

And the context shows the disciples had gathered on that same day, when Jesus appeared to them.

Actually, go back and look at the context a little more closely. Also the question is not that people cannot gather on any and every day. That is non-sequitur. The issue is obedience to the 4th Commandment, not that persons (Jews and Christians) can meet on every day, known as "daily". None of the other days of the week (1-6) are Holy, as the 7th day is. None of those other days are the Day of God's rest.

Apples to oranges.

... The context of the chapter proves that.

Read it again.

So, your SDA stuff remains garbage, unless the BIBLE is wrong.

The BIBLE is right, and I just showed how right it is, contrary to your position. The "SDA stuff" agrees with what was shared from the scripture.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... So, your SDA stuff remains garbage, unless the BIBLE is wrong.

As for Colossians 2, as shown to you before, by the text itself, it does not refer to the 4th Commandment, and the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD there, and even Commentaries are shown to you on this:

Interestingly enough Albert Barnes, a noted Bible Commentator, states on Colossians 2:16, on the word “sabbatwn”:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.​

Furthermore, another noted Commentator, Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.
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Even the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary state:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.​

 

[Alofa Atu]

You were shown the Scriptures, besides Col. 2:16 ...

Colossians 2 KJB (citing Ezekiel 45:17 KJB), parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]

it speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossian 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all

More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, more in detail in a bit.

As for these:

1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Isaiah 1:13-14; Ezekiel 45:17, 46:1-11; Hosea 2:11, and see also Galatians 4:10; Colossians 2:16

These shall be evidence against Colossians 2:16 referring to the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD.

 

[Adonia]

Bunk! I ain't reading any of this.

Seriously, like who reads miles of "copy and paste's" even when it is Scripture?

 

[3rdAngel]

Seriously, like who reads miles of "copy and paste's" even when it is Scripture?

There is not miles of copy and pastes. It is just scripture showing the truth of God's WORD. What is it that you disagree with and you feel is not God's truth and if you cannot show why you disagree with the scriptures provided why do you not believe God's Word? I do not know about you but I love God's Word and I seek to prayerfully believe and follow what God says.

God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God) and follow him

 

[1689Dave]

This OP is a challenge to anyone who thinks that COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 are proof texts that teach that God's 4th commandment SABBATH been abolished and to demonstrate from the scriptures alone that COLOSSIANS 2 is in reference to the 10 commandments of which the 4th Commandment is one of the 10 *ROMANS 3:20.

Your whole scheme collapses when Jeremiah and Hebrews say the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. There are no Sabbath requirements in the New.


“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)

 

[3rdAngel]

Your whole scheme collapses when Jeremiah and Hebrews say the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. There are no Sabbath requirements in the New.


“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)

WRONG! Read the scripture you are quoting from. It only supports what is being shared here. "I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEART...." *JEREMIAH 31:31-36 *HEBREWS 8:10-12; MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:10-12.

Hope this helps.

 

[1689Dave]

WRONG! Read the scripture you are quoting from. It only supports what is being shared here. "I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEART...." *JEREMIAH 31:31-36 *HEBREWS 8:10-12; MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:10-12.

Hope this helps.

Different law. Not as the one given to Moses. We have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people written in our hearts.

 

[robycop3]

You Seven-Day-Adlibbers keep trying to find ANYTHING to justify to yourselves your Sabbath doctrine, while ignoring the FACT that Christians began to meet for worship on SUNDAYS. (Next, you'll be going after Wednesday prayer meetings !)

No one said the Sabbath was "abolished"; Paul said no one had to keep the ceremonial law, especially gentiles. This came about because some Jews were telling new gentile Christians that they then had to start keeping the Jewish religious law.

Paul wrote "Sabbaths" in Col. 2:16. He didn't differentiate between the regular weekly Sabbath & "High Sabbaths". IMO, Paul was the 2nd-wisest man who ever lived, after Solomon; he was well-versed in all the Mosaic law, & certainly knew High Sabbaths from weekly ones.

Again, God was having Paul counter the false teachings of some other Jews to gentile Christians, namely, that these gentiles had to keep the Mosaic law to stay saved.

YOU are doing another thing God had Paul write against-keeping PART of the law, saying it's necessary to be saved. Remember what he wrote about new Christian men being circumcised in accordance with the law, that if one did this, one was obliged to follow every jot & tittle of the law, without fail.

Does your cult observe ALL the feast days of Leviticus ? Does it strictly observe a kosher diet according to Scripture, or does it follow the trash of Mrs. White ? Does it require all males be circumcised? Does it keep passover ? If not, it's doing EXACTLY what God had Paul write against !

While you're trying to convince us of this, you. at the same time, ignore other Scriptures, such as the fact that the lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire. And you've tried to push such blasphemy as "The archangel Michael is Jesus". But I'm not gonna go into your other garbage on this thread, except to say you agree with Scripture, long as Scripture agrees with your quack guru, Mrs. White.

 

[mailmandan]

You Seven-Day-Adlibbers keep trying to find ANYTHING to justify to yourselves your Sabbath doctrine, while ignoring the FACT that Christians began to meet for worship on SUNDAYS. (Next, you'll be going after Wednesday prayer meetings !)

Yes and they remind me of shady lawyers who are out to win their case at all costs, no matter how many long winded arguments full of scripture twisting, trickery, deceit, slander, rhetoric and propaganda that it takes! It's a real shame to see so much zeal wasted on UNBELIEF. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

No one said the Sabbath was "abolished"; Paul said no one had to keep the ceremonial law, especially gentiles. This came about because some Jews were telling new gentile Christians that they then had to start keeping the Jewish religious law.

Just like the Judaizers, SDA's are enslaved in legalism and seek to enslave others!

Paul wrote "Sabbaths" in Col. 2:16. He didn't differentiate between the regular weekly Sabbath & "High Sabbaths". IMO, Paul was the 2nd-wisest man who ever lived, after Solomon; he was well-versed in all the Mosaic law, & certainly knew High Sabbaths from weekly ones.

Amen! Colossians 2:16 does not exclude the weekly sabbath. The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint. We see Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a, festival - yearly Sabbaths, a new moon - monthly Sabbaths, or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or Sabbath days)" CHRIST, he goes on to say is the "substance", these things were shadows.

When this passage is compared with Galatians 4:9 we can see that a connection in Paul's teaching is revealed: "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years." In verse 10, we read - "you observe..,"

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Colossians 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly Sabbath. When God refers to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than naming them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system and yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Colossians 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is well established in the Old Testament and Colossians 2:16 does not exclude the weekly Sabbath.

Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly Sabbath

1 Chronicles 23:31 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 2:4 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 8:13 - Yearly (annual feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

2 Chronicles 31:3 - Yearly (fixed festivals), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Nehemiah 10:33 - Yearly (appointed times), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbaths)

Isaiah 1:13-14 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moon), weekly (Sabbath)

Ezekiel 45:17 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Ezek 46:1-11 - Yearly (appointed feasts), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbath)

Hosea 2:11 - Yearly (festal assemblies), monthly (new moons), weekly (Sabbaths)

Galatians 4:10 - years, months, days

Colossians 2:16 - festival, new moon, Sabbath day

YOU are doing another thing God had Paul write against-keeping PART of the law, saying it's necessary to be saved. Remember what he wrote about new Christian men being circumcised in accordance with the law, that if one did this, one was obliged to follow every jot & tittle of the law, without fail.

Amen! Galatians 3:10 - For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” The SDA gospel culminates in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." More than a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Does your cult observe ALL the feast days of Leviticus? Does it strictly observe a kosher diet according to Scripture, or does it follow the trash of Mrs. White? Does it require all males be circumcised? Does it keep passover? If not, it's doing EXACTLY what God had Paul write against!

Excellent questions!

While you're trying to convince us of this, you. at the same time, ignore other Scriptures, such as the fact that the lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire. And you've tried to push such blasphemy as "The archangel Michael is Jesus". But I'm not gonna go into your other garbage on this thread, except to say you agree with Scripture, long as Scripture agrees with your quack guru, Mrs. White.

A Quick Introduction to Seventh-day Adventism and their cultic doctrines. - Quick Intro to SDA

*Interesting comments in this article: Adventists are taught from childhood that they are God’s only true church on earth and that they are God’s remnant people. They are taught that they have the “truth” and all other Christians are wrong and are apostate. This causes them to have an attitude of spiritual arrogance and pride. They have a very difficult time receiving anything from a “Sunday Keeper”, as they refer to you. This spiritual pride and arrogance generally leads them to become defensive. Instead of listening to you they retreat into their doctrinal structure and hide. They are insecure in their beliefs and if you get them away from their proof-text method of presenting their doctrines they are lost.

 

[3rdAngel]

You Seven-Day-Adlibbers keep trying to find ANYTHING to justify to yourselves your Sabbath doctrine, while ignoring the FACT that Christians began to meet for worship on SUNDAYS. (Next, you'll be going after Wednesday prayer meetings !)

No one said the Sabbath was "abolished"; Paul said no one had to keep the ceremonial law, especially gentiles. This came about because some Jews were telling new gentile Christians that they then had to start keeping the Jewish religious law.

Paul wrote "Sabbaths" in Col. 2:16. He didn't differentiate between the regular weekly Sabbath & "High Sabbaths". IMO, Paul was the 2nd-wisest man who ever lived, after Solomon; he was well-versed in all the Mosaic law, & certainly knew High Sabbaths from weekly ones.

Again, God was having Paul counter the false teachings of some other Jews to gentile Christians, namely, that these gentiles had to keep the Mosaic law to stay saved.

YOU are doing another thing God had Paul write against-keeping PART of the law, saying it's necessary to be saved. Remember what he wrote about new Christian men being circumcised in accordance with the law, that if one did this, one was obliged to follow every jot & tittle of the law, without fail.

Does your cult observe ALL the feast days of Leviticus ? Does it strictly observe a kosher diet according to Scripture, or does it follow the trash of Mrs. White ? Does it require all males be circumcised? Does it keep passover ? If not, it's doing EXACTLY what God had Paul write against !

While you're trying to convince us of this, you. at the same time, ignore other Scriptures, such as the fact that the lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire. And you've tried to push such blasphemy as "The archangel Michael is Jesus". But I'm not gonna go into your other garbage on this thread, except to say you agree with Scripture, long as Scripture agrees with your quack guru, Mrs. White.

Hi Roby, no need for name calling. If you disagree with the OP and the scriptures posted that show why you are in error your welcome to do so. So far all your doing here is denying God's Word with your words that are not God's but yours. So your argument is with God not me.

It is amazing how those that do not have God's WORD to supoport their traditions that break the commandments of God accuse those who have God's WORD of things that are not true.

The religious teachers in the days of Jesus said that he had a devil and his followers were a cult this was also independently verifiable in the days of Jesus and the Apostles. Just ask the Jews who hung Jesus on the cross (John 7:20; John 8:48; 52; Matt 10:25 12:24; Acts 28:22).

This could be said of all those who followed Jesus throughout time even before Jesus the religious teachers of the day killed the prophets sent to them by God to share God's WORD (Luke 11:47; Matt 23:31)

Stephen was stoned to death it was independently verified that he was blaspheming because no one could argue with the scriptures that he was presenting (Acts 6:8-15).

Paul, Peter and most of the Apostles were also executed because it was independently verified by the religious teachers of the day that they could not respond to God's WORD they were sharing with them.

Not to mention all those of the reformation and the birth of Protestantism and the inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church which executed millions of God's people because it was independently verified by the Roman Catholic Church that they were all heretics and should be burned at the stake.

Now today you call heretic or cult because it is independently verified because you cannot respond to the scriptures that disagree with your Catholic traditions which has led many to break God's Commandments?

ONLY God's WORD is true and you do not have it to support your tradition that breaks the commandments of God. The WORD of God is sent to help you have a closer walk with God but you reject God's WORD in order to follow the traditions of the fathers.

Jesus and Paul spoke correctly quoting Isaiah;

Well spoke the Holy Spirit by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is stubborn, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Something to think about who do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW? The teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of God or the WORD of GOD. Jesus says those who follow man made traditions that break God's Commandments are not following him...

MATTHEW 15:2-9 [2], Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. [3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

It is very clear according to Jesus if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of GOD we are not following God.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[loDebar]

We do not keep the Sabbath, Saturday because we are not Jews between Moses and Jesus time. We worship pon Sunday because we honor the Resurrection. Keeping the Law is not required and not possible. It is complete. It is not for Salvation .

These post that say Sunday is not the Sabbath is correct, but it is understood we are not trying to make Sunday the Sabbath

 

[Adonia]

There is not miles of copy and pastes. It is just scripture showing the truth of God's WORD. What is it that you disagree with and you feel is not God's truth and if you cannot show why you disagree with the scriptures provided why do you not believe God's Word? I do not know about you but I love God's Word and I seek to prayerfully believe and follow what God says.

God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God) and follow him

Yes it is. It's one paste after the other from you and the other guy. I bet very few of the posters here read them all. The key on any board is to keep things short and sweet, not long and tedious.

 

[Adonia]

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Traditions that comes direct from the earliest followers of Christ. You are the "men" who desire to add your own take to Christian teachings. I'm a Catholic, but even Baptists worship on Sunday, as do the Pentecostols, the Lutherans, the Anglicans, the Eastern Orthodox, and 90% of all Christians. You on the other hand side with the Jehovah's Witnesses, another sect that goes their own way. You are simply wrong and we are correct.

 

[Adonia]

3rd Angel, I hope you are also eating kosher food, because anything less would be following "man's traditions". Now, keeping kosher is not just abstaining from pork or other like foods, no, it is eating the food that is ritually slaughtered by a Rabbi and the food then prepared according to the proscribed manner. Surely you realize that eating chicken or beef that you buy at the Piggly Wiggly is not keeping kosher according to God's law.

 

[3rdAngel]

Different law. Not as the one given to Moses. We have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people written in our hearts.

Nope same law but written on the heart.