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So our disagreement was just over the meaning of "begotten". No problem. We agree completely that Jesus has always been the Son of God. I had only brought up the early creeds because they were a good summary of essential doctrines.

 

What do you mean by "sole Creator"? God consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, so how could Jesus be the sole Creator? John 1:1-2 does not say that Jesus was the sole Creator, but that "all things came into being through Him". OTOH, Genesis 1:1 tells us that "God created the Heaven and the earth". Having said that, getting banned is rather extreme and unfair, especially if you were just having a discussion such as this one.

 

The Holy Spirit Himself was right there with the father in Genesis 1!

 

The entire Godhead were partners in creation?

 

While all things came into being through Jesus, this does not teach He is the sole creator. That would contradict Genesis 1:1-2.

 

What was the Holy Spirit doing there then?

 

Other than hovering over the waters, I don't know. All I know for sure is that He was present.

 

That is not what I said at all. The Scriptures contain many passages that say God created everything. In particular, Isaiah 44:24, the Father says "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself and spreading out the earth alone". Having said that, the Trinity is a very difficult concept to comprehend, even if we've been following Christ for decades.

 

Both those passages show that Christ reveals the Father. What's your point?

 

Brethren let me hop in here for just a minute and give you my thoughts... The Trinity as Lodic said is very difficult concept to comprehend, even if we've been following Christ for decades... I have been doing that over 50 years... We understand there are three persons in the Trinity but not 3 Gods but one God in three... Each in counsel and in unison of the other and in complete agreement... God the Eternal Father, the Creator, God. God the Eternal Son Jesus Christ, the Savior and the last person in the Godhead, that lets them know that they have been saved and without him none are... Is God The Holy Spirit, who is alone (without the help of any man) the Regenerator... Who is responsible for the New Birth!... All three work together in the Salvation of just one sinner... YOU!... Brother Glen

Btw... I also include me with the sinner and these are my thoughts alone, though you may disagree.

 

Again, the fact that all things were created through Christ does not mean created solely through Christ. And again, Scripture records over and over that God created everything. Is this another disagreement over semantics, or are you having trouble with the roles of Father and the Son in the Trinity?

 

Of course God is One in essence but three in Person. They were all present in the Creation.

 

While the passages you point to show Christ was involved in Creation, they do not show He was the primary agent of Creation. Why is this such a big deal, though? That is, what difference does it really make whether we believe Creation was primarily done by the Father (my view) or by the Son (your view)?